Comments on: Joel Zumaya out 3 months http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:59:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ryan S http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54826 Ryan S Tue, 08 May 2007 21:01:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54826 I think how we weather this injury starts and ends with Fernando Rodney. Most teams don't have the luxury of having two setup guys as good as Zoom and Rodney. This basically means Rodney will have to shoulder the setup role alone. Mesa will have to fill some innings for sure, as will the other bullpen guys, but I think Rodney's going to be the guy who gets the call in high leverage situations in the 7/8th inning. We've seen plenty of "Bad Rodney" this year. We've also recently seen "Good Rodney". Whichever version shows up more often over the next few months will be the greatest determining factor as to how much this injury affects us. I think how we weather this injury starts and ends with Fernando Rodney. Most teams don’t have the luxury of having two setup guys as good as Zoom and Rodney. This basically means Rodney will have to shoulder the setup role alone. Mesa will have to fill some innings for sure, as will the other bullpen guys, but I think Rodney’s going to be the guy who gets the call in high leverage situations in the 7/8th inning. We’ve seen plenty of “Bad Rodney” this year. We’ve also recently seen “Good Rodney”. Whichever version shows up more often over the next few months will be the greatest determining factor as to how much this injury affects us.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54825 Mike R Tue, 08 May 2007 19:22:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54825 Elugio De La Cruz is a candidate, I think, to make the jump from Double-A to the bullpen. 20 K's and 1 BB in his last 2 starts. Elugio De La Cruz is a candidate, I think, to make the jump from Double-A to the bullpen. 20 K’s and 1 BB in his last 2 starts.

]]> By: Chris Y. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54824 Chris Y. Tue, 08 May 2007 18:24:51 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54824 Agree totally with Mike R. here. This is a significant injury for this club. The luxury of having Zoom stem every late rally with a scoreless inning and leaving the opposing club utterly confused is OVER until he returns. Miller ain't even close. A trade will not be made anytime soon, and probably half of David's list isn't even available, esp. Fuentes. I expect they bring another starter up, hopefully VV, and figure out positioning between Durbin, Maroth, and VV over the next couple months. How all that pans out, plus Zumaya's progress will determine how deep we dig for another arm in July. That said, it isn't unreasonable to expect Mesa to ease some of this load. The guy isn't great, but he is capable of putting together a decent stretch. Agree totally with Mike R. here.

This is a significant injury for this club. The luxury of having Zoom stem every late rally with a scoreless inning and leaving the opposing club utterly confused is OVER until he returns.

Miller ain’t even close. A trade will not be made anytime soon, and probably half of David’s list isn’t even available, esp. Fuentes.

I expect they bring another starter up, hopefully VV, and figure out positioning between Durbin, Maroth, and VV over the next couple months. How all that pans out, plus Zumaya’s progress will determine how deep we dig for another arm in July.

That said, it isn’t unreasonable to expect Mesa to ease some of this load. The guy isn’t great, but he is capable of putting together a decent stretch.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54814 Mike R Tue, 08 May 2007 13:48:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54814 I don't get how losing Zumaya can be rationalized as not that big of a deal when it's 3 months, a.k.a. half an entire season. And Andrew Miller is no where near ready for the big leagues. As evidenced by his lack of any sort of consistency in SINGLE-A BASEBALL. Even mentioning him as a possible option in the beginning of may seems absurd to me. I'd prefer he take the Verlander route and spend an entire season in the minors, coming up in september, and then we can look towards the future. And will Leyland work the same magic he's used to turn Neifi Perez into a competent MLB-caliber hitter? Oh, wait. . . I'm not saying make a trade right now, but depending on if Zumaya has any set backs (this is a joint in his pitching finger, not exactly something to just brush aside on his left arm or something), a deadline deal will be in works. And possibly sooner if/when Jose Mesa pitches like, well, Jose Mesa. I don’t get how losing Zumaya can be rationalized as not that big of a deal when it’s 3 months, a.k.a. half an entire season.

And Andrew Miller is no where near ready for the big leagues. As evidenced by his lack of any sort of consistency in SINGLE-A BASEBALL. Even mentioning him as a possible option in the beginning of may seems absurd to me. I’d prefer he take the Verlander route and spend an entire season in the minors, coming up in september, and then we can look towards the future.

And will Leyland work the same magic he’s used to turn Neifi Perez into a competent MLB-caliber hitter? Oh, wait. . .

I’m not saying make a trade right now, but depending on if Zumaya has any set backs (this is a joint in his pitching finger, not exactly something to just brush aside on his left arm or something), a deadline deal will be in works. And possibly sooner if/when Jose Mesa pitches like, well, Jose Mesa.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54811 David Tue, 08 May 2007 05:33:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54811 Lidge looks real good right 'bout now... Still, I would rather see a guy by the name of Dallas Trahern get the call up, he a pitcher, not a flamethrower. Or Virgil, w/e works. This is a tough loss, but all in all I'd rather it be him than almost all of the regulars or SP. A combo of Ledezma, and F-Rod should bridge smoothly more often than not to Jonesey. I'll just throw a names out there that are doing well or great this year, that are in the NL and on teams that I figure to be out of the race. Making them easier to acquire... Damaso Marte - Pittsburgh Chad Cordero - DC Brad Lidge - Houston Brian Fuentes - Colorado Renyel Pinto - Flordia GO TIGS!!! I still stay with what I thought before the season, we WILL win right around 100 games. Lidge looks real good right ’bout now…

Still, I would rather see a guy by the name of Dallas Trahern get the call up, he a pitcher, not a flamethrower. Or Virgil, w/e works.

This is a tough loss, but all in all I’d rather it be him than almost all of the regulars or SP.

A combo of Ledezma, and F-Rod should bridge smoothly more often than not to Jonesey.

I’ll just throw a names out there that are doing well or great this year, that are in the NL and on teams that I figure to be out of the race. Making them easier to acquire…

Damaso Marte – Pittsburgh
Chad Cordero – DC
Brad Lidge – Houston
Brian Fuentes – Colorado
Renyel Pinto – Flordia

GO TIGS!!!

I still stay with what I thought before the season, we WILL win right around 100 games.

]]> By: Sam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54806 Sam Tue, 08 May 2007 04:12:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54806 Could Miller help fill Zoom-Zoom's role out of the pen. He had grade-A stuff. Does he have the command?? Or do you wait and let him take Maroth's spot in the rotation if Mikey doesn't start pitching better?? I don't know, just asking. -Sam Could Miller help fill Zoom-Zoom’s role out of the pen. He had grade-A stuff. Does he have the command?? Or do you wait and let him take Maroth’s spot in the rotation if Mikey doesn’t start pitching better??

I don’t know, just asking.

-Sam

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54805 Mark in Chicago Tue, 08 May 2007 02:12:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54805 It's a long season, and while we'd obviously prefer to have JZ for the entire summer, it looks like they'll have him back in shape for the stretch run. Remember Minnesota last year, who were all but dead and buried before they came back to win the division. My point is that a LOT can happen between now and game #162, and we already knew that everyone would have to contribute if the Tigers were gong to get back to the postseason. This just magnifies that point. They still have great starting pitching, a very solid offense, and a respectable bullpen, even without JZ. That should keep them at least close until everyone gets healthy, there's lots of time. It’s a long season, and while we’d obviously prefer to have JZ for the entire summer, it looks like they’ll have him back in shape for the stretch run. Remember Minnesota last year, who were all but dead and buried before they came back to win the division. My point is that a LOT can happen between now and game #162, and we already knew that everyone would have to contribute if the Tigers were gong to get back to the postseason. This just magnifies that point. They still have great starting pitching, a very solid offense, and a respectable bullpen, even without JZ. That should keep them at least close until everyone gets healthy, there’s lots of time.

]]> By: Mark P. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54804 Mark P. Tue, 08 May 2007 02:04:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54804 I agree Ron. This is a tough blow to the team, but not a devastating one that will effect the rest of the year. It is not like we have had the rash of injuries that the Yankees and Blue Jays have had this year. We are still a deep team plus have a good young pitchers in the minors. I would not be surprised if they call up Vasquez and put Durbin in the bullpen for a bit. I am not a fan of Mesa, but maybe Leyland can pull some magic with him. I don't think we need to regret losing Walker (not worth $4M) or look to trade right now. I agree Ron. This is a tough blow to the team, but not a devastating one that will effect the rest of the year. It is not like we have had the rash of injuries that the Yankees and Blue Jays have had this year. We are still a deep team plus have a good young pitchers in the minors. I would not be surprised if they call up Vasquez and put Durbin in the bullpen for a bit.

I am not a fan of Mesa, but maybe Leyland can pull some magic with him. I don’t think we need to regret losing Walker (not worth $4M) or look to trade right now.

]]> By: ron http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54803 ron Tue, 08 May 2007 01:43:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54803 Leyland will make the right moves. The offense will be there. If we have a true championship caliber team which I know we do, then everyone will step up their game. Don't panic. We don't need no stinkin' Clemens. Rodney is our man. Leyland will make the right moves. The offense will be there. If we have a true championship caliber team which I know we do, then everyone will step up their game. Don’t panic. We don’t need no stinkin’ Clemens. Rodney is our man.

]]> By: Dave from the ATL http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54802 Dave from the ATL Tue, 08 May 2007 01:29:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54802 Does anyone know more about this injury other than just 'out twelve weeks'? Is it possible that this is a career threatening type of injury? Watching the game on TV you could just tell by the way Zoom was wreathing in pain that this was very serious. I totally bummed. Joel brings so much excitement to every game he's in. Does anyone know more about this injury other than just ‘out twelve weeks’?

Is it possible that this is a career threatening type of injury?

Watching the game on TV you could just tell by the way Zoom was wreathing in pain that this was very serious.

I totally bummed. Joel brings so much excitement to every game he’s in.

]]> By: Cameron in Singapore http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54801 Cameron in Singapore Tue, 08 May 2007 01:18:09 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54801 Ay ay ay... Ay ay ay…

]]> By: Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54800 Jim Tue, 08 May 2007 00:50:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54800 The market dictates that any decent reliever is going to cost alot in money or trade... The market dictates that any decent reliever is going to cost alot in money or trade…

]]> By: Ian C. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54799 Ian C. Tue, 08 May 2007 00:46:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54799 I'm on board with trading for Brad Lidge, but the price surely just went up. Other teams such as Toronto, Philadelphia, and Florida might also have failed closers to spare. I’m on board with trading for Brad Lidge, but the price surely just went up. Other teams such as Toronto, Philadelphia, and Florida might also have failed closers to spare.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54798 Mike R Tue, 08 May 2007 00:22:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54798 Yeah, giving Walker $4 would've been plain ridiculous, in my opinion. Yeah, giving Walker $4 would’ve been plain ridiculous, in my opinion.

]]> By: Chief http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54797 Chief Tue, 08 May 2007 00:00:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/05/joel-zumaya-out-3-months/#comment-54797 Held on to Walker for $4 million when Bobby Seay can do 80% of the job for the minimum? Walker today: 1IP, 3H, 4R, 1BB, 1SO, 1HR Held on to Walker for $4 million when Bobby Seay can do 80% of the job for the minimum?

Walker today:

1IP, 3H, 4R, 1BB, 1SO, 1HR

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