Comments on: Game 9: Tigers at Blue Jays http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53109 Mike R Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:50:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53109 No one wears 3 for the Yankees, as it's Babe Ruth's retired number. That's why Alex Rodriguez wears 13, instead of 3 which he wore for both Seattle and Texas. I understand Tram's significance to the organization, but my first real vivid memories of the Tigers and baseball were probably around 95-ish when I was 9-10 years old. So, Trammel isn't as big of a part of my memories and isn't as synonymous with the Tigers as he is for older players. Thus, I don't think Sheff wearing 3 is a big deal and Tram gave the okay on it anyways. No one wears 3 for the Yankees, as it’s Babe Ruth’s retired number. That’s why Alex Rodriguez wears 13, instead of 3 which he wore for both Seattle and Texas.

I understand Tram’s significance to the organization, but my first real vivid memories of the Tigers and baseball were probably around 95-ish when I was 9-10 years old. So, Trammel isn’t as big of a part of my memories and isn’t as synonymous with the Tigers as he is for older players.

Thus, I don’t think Sheff wearing 3 is a big deal and Tram gave the okay on it anyways.

]]> By: Anne http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53103 Anne Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:37:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53103 Didn't Sheff also wear #3 as a Yankee? (I may be wrong about that, I admit) I think Sheff asked for the number he wanted, it had nothing to do with honoring Tram. Just MHO, as always. Personally, I'm neutral on Sheffield as a person. He's no Trammel, but really, who is? I wish he hadn't asked for #3, but he did, so let's move on. Didn’t Sheff also wear #3 as a Yankee? (I may be wrong about that, I admit) I think Sheff asked for the number he wanted, it had nothing to do with honoring Tram. Just MHO, as always. Personally, I’m neutral on Sheffield as a person. He’s no Trammel, but really, who is? I wish he hadn’t asked for #3, but he did, so let’s move on.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53095 Kurt Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:44:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53095 As I'm sure we all know Sheffield stated he asked for No. 3 to honor Trammell, a guy Sheffield said looked up to as a young shortstop, people believe he was just using that as an excuse to get the number? As I’m sure we all know Sheffield stated he asked for No. 3 to honor Trammell, a guy Sheffield said looked up to as a young shortstop, people believe he was just using that as an excuse to get the number?

]]> By: Walt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53093 Walt Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:29:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53093 I thought about going to O'Kelly's to watch it, but I may have looked funny doing lab reports there. I still had the wings game anyway. Walt I thought about going to O’Kelly’s to watch it, but I may have looked funny doing lab reports there. I still had the wings game anyway.

Walt

]]> By: Dave T. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53092 Dave T. Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:58:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53092 Jose Mesa is a 1 inning guy! Jose Mesa is a 1 inning guy!

]]> By: EZ http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53091 EZ Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:28:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53091 Walt, Leyland said before the game that Jones was unavailable yesterday. No reason given, but the assumption was that he had pitched too many days in the previous series. He should be good to go tonight, as well as a hopefully rejuvinated Rodney. From my CMU days when we couldn't get a Tigers/Lions game we would go to Boomers at the Holiday Inn. They had satallite and could get the games that local cable couldn't. Don't know if it is still called "Boomers", but it is an idea for you... Fire Up Chips. Walt, Leyland said before the game that Jones was unavailable yesterday. No reason given, but the assumption was that he had pitched too many days in the previous series. He should be good to go tonight, as well as a hopefully rejuvinated Rodney.

From my CMU days when we couldn’t get a Tigers/Lions game we would go to Boomers at the Holiday Inn. They had satallite and could get the games that local cable couldn’t. Don’t know if it is still called “Boomers”, but it is an idea for you… Fire Up Chips.

]]> By: EZ http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53090 EZ Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:08:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53090 Kathy, I am not sure how I back stabbed him.... I said that he was an all star, a good teammate, puts up good numbers, and wants to win. You have a strange concept of backstabbing. I did call Sheffield a vagabond. Sheffield has played for almost a quarter of MLB teams. I fail to see how that is overly derogatory. Don Imus I am not. I actually don't dislike Sheffield. But by many accounts, at least in the media, Sheffield has long been considered a "me" first type of player. That doesn't mean I dislike him. I do dislike that he wears number 3. Whether that number is retired or not is of lessor importance to me. Clearly you put a higher emphisis on the retirement question. In my opinion Sheffield should have not asked to wear Trammell's number. After 19 years in the bigs he knows what that number means to Tiger fans. He certainly has the right to wear it, but out of respect to Tiger fans it would not have killed him to take another number. In my book that is a "me" first kind of guy. But I see your point. We agree to disagree. Kathy, I am not sure how I back stabbed him…. I said that he was an all star, a good teammate, puts up good numbers, and wants to win. You have a strange concept of backstabbing.

I did call Sheffield a vagabond. Sheffield has played for almost a quarter of MLB teams. I fail to see how that is overly derogatory. Don Imus I am not.

I actually don’t dislike Sheffield. But by many accounts, at least in the media, Sheffield has long been considered a “me” first type of player. That doesn’t mean I dislike him.

I do dislike that he wears number 3. Whether that number is retired or not is of lessor importance to me. Clearly you put a higher emphisis on the retirement question.

In my opinion Sheffield should have not asked to wear Trammell’s number. After 19 years in the bigs he knows what that number means to Tiger fans. He certainly has the right to wear it, but out of respect to Tiger fans it would not have killed him to take another number. In my book that is a “me” first kind of guy.

But I see your point. We agree to disagree.

]]> By: Walt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53089 Walt Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:54:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53089 Is there a reason that Zoom was closing over Jones? (besides the obvious) I still cannot find the FSN + channel here in Mt. Pleasant. Walt Is there a reason that Zoom was closing over Jones? (besides the obvious) I still cannot find the FSN + channel here in Mt. Pleasant.

Walt

]]> By: Rings http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53088 Rings Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:49:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53088 I'm with EZ on this one too. I could care less about #3, but I do think it's indicative of the type of person Sheffield is: he doesn't know or care at all about Tiger tradition or history. To compare Gary Sheffield with Alan Trammell, the person, is a cruel joke. Trammell never shook anybody down for more money, never publically embarrassed his team or teammates, and never left a city or team on poor terms. Just because he's always been a good offensive player, doesn't give him the right to be a jerk whenever <i>he</i> feels like it. And Kathy, as far as the other point you attempt...you can believe what you want, but he's already admitted - under oath - that he took steriods...he just did so "unknowingly." I’m with EZ on this one too.
I could care less about #3, but I do think it’s indicative of the type of person Sheffield is: he doesn’t know or care at all about Tiger tradition or history. To compare Gary Sheffield with Alan Trammell, the person, is a cruel joke. Trammell never shook anybody down for more money, never publically embarrassed his team or teammates, and never left a city or team on poor terms.
Just because he’s always been a good offensive player, doesn’t give him the right to be a jerk whenever he feels like it.
And Kathy, as far as the other point you attempt…you can believe what you want, but he’s already admitted – under oath – that he took steriods…he just did so “unknowingly.”

]]> By: (withheld to prevent google from finding the ensuing analogy) http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53087 (withheld to prevent google from finding the ensuing analogy) Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:49:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53087 I'm actually with EZ on this one, thought I wouldn't go so far as to label him. It doesn't matter that my buddy decided not to marry the girl. If I'm any sort of friend, I gotta wait at least a little while before I sleep with her. I’m actually with EZ on this one, thought I wouldn’t go so far as to label him.

It doesn’t matter that my buddy decided not to marry the girl. If I’m any sort of friend, I gotta wait at least a little while before I sleep with her.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53085 Kathy Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:47:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53085 In your opinion, of course. Couldn't disagree with you more. Al Kaline's number is retired. Now, if he still asked to wear that number then I'd agree with you on the part "entitlement player". You're backstabbing him because you don't like him. Go Tigers! I love all you guys. In your opinion, of course. Couldn’t disagree with you more. Al Kaline’s number is retired. Now, if he still asked to wear that number then I’d agree with you on the part “entitlement player”.

You’re backstabbing him because you don’t like him.

Go Tigers! I love all you guys.

]]> By: EZ http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53084 EZ Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:26:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53084 Kathy, You are correct. #3 isn't retired and Gary has the right to use it. My rebuttel would be that while the team has respected Gary by letting him use Trammell's number, I would hope Gary would respect the team and the tradition by not even asking for it in the first place. Gary is the classic "entitlement player" (my term) in that he thinks he is owed a particular number, or other special treatments. As an all star vagabond he has terrific numbers, will help us win, and by many (even most) accounts he is a good teammate. But if he really cared about the team and city, and to a lesser extent baseball itself, he wouldn't tread on a 100+ year old tradition of the English D by putting himself above the Tigers and Tiger History. If the situation were reversed, and it was Trammell coming to town he would not even consider taking such a number. Being a consumate "team" first pro he would put the team first and find another number. Sheffield is a "me" first pro and puts himself higher. This is his right, but it doens't make him right. Sheffield wants to win, no question about it. So did Tram. But Sheffield wants it for himself first. Himself second. And the team 3rd. Kathy,

You are correct. #3 isn’t retired and Gary has the right to use it.

My rebuttel would be that while the team has respected Gary by letting him use Trammell’s number, I would hope Gary would respect the team and the tradition by not even asking for it in the first place. Gary is the classic “entitlement player” (my term) in that he thinks he is owed a particular number, or other special treatments. As an all star vagabond he has terrific numbers, will help us win, and by many (even most) accounts he is a good teammate. But if he really cared about the team and city, and to a lesser extent baseball itself, he wouldn’t tread on a 100+ year old tradition of the English D by putting himself above the Tigers and Tiger History.

If the situation were reversed, and it was Trammell coming to town he would not even consider taking such a number. Being a consumate “team” first pro he would put the team first and find another number. Sheffield is a “me” first pro and puts himself higher. This is his right, but it doens’t make him right.

Sheffield wants to win, no question about it. So did Tram. But Sheffield wants it for himself first. Himself second. And the team 3rd.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53083 Kathy Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:16:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53083 The number isn't retired. That's not Gary's fault. He has a perfect right to wear it. If Detroit wanted it retired it would have been. I have just as much respect for Gary as I do for Tram. They are both absolutely outstanding players. I totally respect Gary Sheffield on and off the field just as I do Tram. As far as steroids, I don't believe he used them. Period. The number isn’t retired. That’s not Gary’s fault. He has a perfect right to wear it. If Detroit wanted it retired it would have been. I have just as much respect for Gary as I do for Tram. They are both absolutely outstanding players. I totally respect Gary Sheffield on and off the field just as I do Tram. As far as steroids, I don’t believe he used them. Period.

]]> By: Josh B http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53082 Josh B Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:03:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53082 I second Joey C's ire. I've got nothing against Sheff and hope he helps bring the Tigers back to the Series this year, but the issue is that there's no chance he'll ever be in Trammell's league. The way the organization used Tram for the publicity and then spit him out is shameless. He and Whitaker should have had their numbers retired in one ceremony a decade ago. It's not Sheff's fault that the number was still available, but the contrast between a player who spent 2 decades in one uniform and one who is the ultimate mercenary if pretty extreme. I second Joey C’s ire.

I’ve got nothing against Sheff and hope he helps bring the Tigers back to the Series this year, but the issue is that there’s no chance he’ll ever be in Trammell’s league.

The way the organization used Tram for the publicity and then spit him out is shameless. He and Whitaker should have had their numbers retired in one ceremony a decade ago. It’s not Sheff’s fault that the number was still available, but the contrast between a player who spent 2 decades in one uniform and one who is the ultimate mercenary if pretty extreme.

]]> By: Joey C. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53081 Joey C. Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:02:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/04/game-9-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-53081 I do disagree--rather strongly--with Kathy on this one, but I really didn't mean to attack her--and I apologize if that's the way it reads. I do disagree–rather strongly–with Kathy on this one, but I really didn’t mean to attack her–and I apologize if that’s the way it reads.

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