Comments on: Tigers ink Guillen to 4 year extension http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:47:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Tom http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52318 Tom Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:03:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52318 Billfer wins the Grand Prize!!!!!! GO WHITE SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Billfer wins the Grand Prize!!!!!!

GO WHITE SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52317 billfer Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:43:04 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52317 Everyone - Take a good look at this statement: <blockquote>#2– Give me Nefi (Nefi rocks!!) for 2 million and I have 10 to find a consistent centerfielder.</blockquote> Tom is looking for a reaction. He bashes a signing that EVERYONE thinks is great. And then he follows it up by campaigning for the least popular guy on the roster so he can solve a problem with one of the most popular guys on the roster. He's just looking for a reaction. Don't take him seriously. Everyone -

Take a good look at this statement:

#2– Give me Nefi (Nefi rocks!!) for 2 million and I have 10 to find a consistent centerfielder.

Tom is looking for a reaction. He bashes a signing that EVERYONE thinks is great. And then he follows it up by campaigning for the least popular guy on the roster so he can solve a problem with one of the most popular guys on the roster.

He’s just looking for a reaction. Don’t take him seriously.

]]> By: Ed in OR http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52316 Ed in OR Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:33:03 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52316 Gosh Tom, Kathy is right, Guillen did say he wanted to stay in D-Town. All you had to do to know that is read a little. He reiterated that point on numerous occassions, so attacking her on that was pointless. Carlos did say he wanted to stay with the Tigers, and so did his wife from what I recall. As for your rant about the money, well, I for one am more than willing to accept his getting a slightly higher paycheck even if his numbers are stellar. The reason? He was with the Tigers during two of their worst years. And dedication to the team--what you term "heart"--is exactly what Guillen is showing. So under your own terms he should deserve the money just given to him. No player is perfect, but Guillen has shown his heart and willingness to come to Detroit and give it his all. Now that's heart. Now that deserves a good sum of cash. Gosh Tom,
Kathy is right, Guillen did say he wanted to stay in D-Town. All you had to do to know that is read a little. He reiterated that point on numerous occassions, so attacking her on that was pointless. Carlos did say he wanted to stay with the Tigers, and so did his wife from what I recall. As for your rant about the money, well, I for one am more than willing to accept his getting a slightly higher paycheck even if his numbers are stellar. The reason? He was with the Tigers during two of their worst years. And dedication to the team–what you term “heart”–is exactly what Guillen is showing. So under your own terms he should deserve the money just given to him. No player is perfect, but Guillen has shown his heart and willingness to come to Detroit and give it his all. Now that’s heart. Now that deserves a good sum of cash.

]]> By: Tom http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52314 Tom Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:45:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52314 Brian The GM of the Tigers used exactly the HR/RBI evaluation in signing Sheffield. Now give me all the Fantasy stuff...ok...ok remember you get to those figures with things like HR/RBI although you guys attributed solely HR/RBI to me. Maybe it was Sheffield's excellent fielding, OPS, or base stealing abilities that made Dombrowski sign him(wastefully...again)..... Hmmm stat men tell me the difference between Sheffield's stats and the DH's of last year and how much more the $7 million we gave Sheffield will benefit us??? Let's see if he stays healthy.....5 more HRs and 10 more RBIs...was it really worth that much more money? Is it time to extend Bonderman's salary yet??? Brian

The GM of the Tigers used exactly the HR/RBI evaluation in signing Sheffield. Now give me all the Fantasy stuff…ok…ok remember you get to those figures with things like HR/RBI although you guys attributed solely HR/RBI to me. Maybe it was Sheffield’s excellent fielding, OPS, or base stealing abilities that made Dombrowski sign him(wastefully…again)…..

Hmmm stat men tell me the difference between Sheffield’s stats and the DH’s of last year and how much more the $7 million we gave Sheffield will benefit us??? Let’s see if he stays healthy…..5 more HRs and 10 more RBIs…was it really worth that much more money?

Is it time to extend Bonderman’s salary yet???

]]> By: Brian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52313 Brian Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:13:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52313 Your fantasy baseball comment shows a fundamental lack of understanding when it comes to the evaluation of players. Compounded with the fact that you use HR and RBI to judge a player I sure am glad that you are not the GM of the Tigers. It is further proof of how underappreciated Guillen is not only among some of the national media but among some Tigers fans. Way to go not realizing that Guillen was the best hitter the Tigers have had the 2 of the last 3 seasons. The only reason he drops at all in 2005 is his lack of plate appearances and the fact that he was unhealthy. The fact that you would even consider starting Neifi and finding a different CF is funny. Perhaps you want a return to the days of old when the park was empty. Because making Perez the starting SS is one of the quickest ways to 100 losses. Your fantasy baseball comment shows a fundamental lack of understanding when it comes to the evaluation of players. Compounded with the fact that you use HR and RBI to judge a player I sure am glad that you are not the GM of the Tigers.

It is further proof of how underappreciated Guillen is not only among some of the national media but among some Tigers fans. Way to go not realizing that Guillen was the best hitter the Tigers have had the 2 of the last 3 seasons. The only reason he drops at all in 2005 is his lack of plate appearances and the fact that he was unhealthy.

The fact that you would even consider starting Neifi and finding a different CF is funny. Perhaps you want a return to the days of old when the park was empty. Because making Perez the starting SS is one of the quickest ways to 100 losses.

]]> By: Tom http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52312 Tom Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:54:29 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52312 Geez Sorry I didn't stay and await all your responses and answer immediately. Bilfer #1-- 8-10 million a year max for Guillen #2-- Give me Nefi (Nefi rocks!!) for 2 million and I have 10 to find a consistent centerfielder. Nate Save the moneyball stats for your fantasy league buddy, I'm sure you'll finish in the top ten. Yes maybe Guillen will be an All-Star this year, considering that Leyland gets to make some of the picks. Otherwise he'll ALWAYS be behind Tejada, Young, and Jeter. Moneyball never was very good at looking at the "heart" of a player. Kathy "Carlos really did want to stay in Detroit...." HUH? NOBODY wants to stay in Detroit.....ROFL Dave Your right HRs and RBIs don't mean much at all.....You and Nate will do great in the Fantasy Leagues!!! Geez

Sorry I didn’t stay and await all your responses and answer immediately.

Bilfer

#1– 8-10 million a year max for Guillen
#2– Give me Nefi (Nefi rocks!!) for 2 million and I have 10 to find a consistent centerfielder.

Nate

Save the moneyball stats for your fantasy league buddy, I’m sure you’ll finish in the top ten. Yes maybe Guillen will be an All-Star this year, considering that Leyland gets to make some of the picks. Otherwise he’ll ALWAYS be behind Tejada, Young, and Jeter. Moneyball never was very good at looking at the “heart” of a player.

Kathy

“Carlos really did want to stay in Detroit….”

HUH? NOBODY wants to stay in Detroit…..ROFL

Dave

Your right HRs and RBIs don’t mean much at all…..You and Nate will do great in the Fantasy Leagues!!!

]]> By: Brian B http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52311 Brian B Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:14:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52311 Agreed Dave... his responses show why he doesn't understand that this is a fair contract for both sides. Agreed Dave… his responses show why he doesn’t understand that this is a fair contract for both sides.

]]> By: Dave Wagner http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52309 Dave Wagner Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:22:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52309 Well, the fact that he's judging a player based on HR and RBI suggests that Tom doesn't understand this game particularly well. Well, the fact that he’s judging a player based on HR and RBI suggests that Tom doesn’t understand this game particularly well.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52308 Kathy Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:26:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52308 You only had to answer two questions, Tom, and you couldn't even do that. You only had to answer two questions, Tom, and you couldn’t even do that.

]]> By: Nate http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52307 Nate Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:54:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/tigers-ink-guillen-to-4-year-extension/#comment-52307 Tom, I find it difficult to understand your pessimism. While I think it is quite possible that last year was a career year for Guillen, I don't think he's likely to fall off the face of the earth. Consider this: If Carlos plays to 25% percentile projection from PECOTA (which would mean that he severely underperforms), he would still post a line of .281/.351/.464. Despite the fact that it would represent a drop of more than .100 points from his 2006 season, an OPS of .815 would still have been good enough to make him the third best offensive shortstop in the AL and 7th best in the majors by that admittedly rough measure.* Also, you point to two stats where Guillen is admittedly less productive than other players: he doesn't hit a lot of homeruns, and, perhaps due the low OBP of the Tigers as a whole, he doesn't get a ton of RBI. But this does not mean he is not a run producer. He tied with Craig Monroe for the team lead in extra base hits last year (65); he led the team in OBP (.400), and, as a result, in runs scored (100). He is a crucial part of their offense. * I am excluding Carlos' own .920 OPS from this analysis. If Guillen had had an OPS of .815 last year, he would have ranked behind Jeter (.900) and Tejada (.878) and just ahead of Michael Young (.814) in the AL. Tom,

I find it difficult to understand your pessimism. While I think it is quite possible that last year was a career year for Guillen, I don’t think he’s likely to fall off the face of the earth.

Consider this: If Carlos plays to 25% percentile projection from PECOTA (which would mean that he severely underperforms), he would still post a line of .281/.351/.464. Despite the fact that it would represent a drop of more than .100 points from his 2006 season, an OPS of .815 would still have been good enough to make him the third best offensive shortstop in the AL and 7th best in the majors by that admittedly rough measure.*

Also, you point to two stats where Guillen is admittedly less productive than other players: he doesn’t hit a lot of homeruns, and, perhaps due the low OBP of the Tigers as a whole, he doesn’t get a ton of RBI. But this does not mean he is not a run producer. He tied with Craig Monroe for the team lead in extra base hits last year (65); he led the team in OBP (.400), and, as a result, in runs scored (100). He is a crucial part of their offense.

* I am excluding Carlos’ own .920 OPS from this analysis. If Guillen had had an OPS of .815 last year, he would have ranked behind Jeter (.900) and Tejada (.878) and just ahead of Michael Young (.814) in the AL.

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