Comments on: The Guillen Gamble http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 17 May 2008 12:48:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Promising news on Guillen front? http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-52166 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Promising news on Guillen front? Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:20:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-52166 [...] Related: The Guillen Gamble [...] [...] Related: The Guillen Gamble [...]

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-52100 billfer Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:24:15 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-52100 James - Welcome. I'm glad you like what you see and hope you stick around. I too am intrigued by Ciriaco. By noting his struggles I wasn't trying to write him off. As you mention he's still very young, but he's also still a ways a way. Even if he becomes a stud, it probably wouldn't be until 2009 at the very earliest that he'd be able to help the team (and that's pretty optimistic). James -

Welcome. I’m glad you like what you see and hope you stick around.

I too am intrigued by Ciriaco. By noting his struggles I wasn’t trying to write him off. As you mention he’s still very young, but he’s also still a ways a way. Even if he becomes a stud, it probably wouldn’t be until 2009 at the very earliest that he’d be able to help the team (and that’s pretty optimistic).

]]> By: James http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-52094 James Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:40:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-52094 I agree with what most of you are saying. I do think that there is some potential for homegrown talent. I really like this kid Audy Ciriaco. He is a good shortstop with a good bat. In addition let's not forget that he is only 19 and would just be starting his college career. I agree with the author of the post that Ciriaco had a disappointing season in 2006 but I would point to his stints against better competition as a sign that he will be able to come through. During spring training last year he played well when they placed him in the 3A group and during both 2005 and 2006 Audy played exceptionally well in the Instructional League which is considered by many to be better competition. I know it's clichéd to say that he just needs to be tested against better competition but it has, at least to a certain extent, seemed that way. I do, however, agree that Audy still needs a bit of work and growing up and all that will happen in time. You have a great blog. I found it surfing the web and I will return to read your posts. Keep up the great work! I agree with what most of you are saying. I do think that there is some potential for homegrown talent. I really like this kid Audy Ciriaco. He is a good shortstop with a good bat. In addition let’s not forget that he is only 19 and would just be starting his college career. I agree with the author of the post that Ciriaco had a disappointing season in 2006 but I would point to his stints against better competition as a sign that he will be able to come through. During spring training last year he played well when they placed him in the 3A group and during both 2005 and 2006 Audy played exceptionally well in the Instructional League which is considered by many to be better competition. I know it’s clichéd to say that he just needs to be tested against better competition but it has, at least to a certain extent, seemed that way. I do, however, agree that Audy still needs a bit of work and growing up and all that will happen in time. You have a great blog. I found it surfing the web and I will return to read your posts. Keep up the great work!

]]> By: Bob S. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51657 Bob S. Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:44:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51657 Something tells me Rodriguez would never agree to play in Detroit.I agree that he's the best SS on the Yankees and the second best in New York.Jeter is one of the most overrated players in the game.Not only that,but a real leader would have stepped aside to let the better player have the position.Being the Yankee hater I am,I'm glad he didn't. Something tells me Rodriguez would never agree to play in Detroit.I agree that he’s the best SS on the Yankees and the second best in New York.Jeter is one of the most overrated players in the game.Not only that,but a real leader would have stepped aside to let the better player have the position.Being the Yankee hater I am,I’m glad he didn’t.

]]> By: Brian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51656 Brian Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:45:15 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51656 The list of possible 2008 free agents: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/10/2008_mlb_free_a.html So the following players are the possible SS to replace Guillen with and their production numbers over their career: Vizquel (.276/.342/.360) Eckstein (.283/.351/.359) Uribe (.258/.297/.433) - Club Option for 2008. Guillen (.289/.358/.440) and with the Tigers he has been better than that.... So you are losing a ton of offense replacing Guillen with any of those guys. Dunn has a 13 M club option as well if people plan on replacing Guillen's bat by putting him at 1B. As for the comment about Cabrera. You could be absolutely right that he will test free agency. I think that depends on who he is traded to if anyone. If he is available they should offer him whatever it takes. The list of possible 2008 free agents:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ree_a.html

So the following players are the possible SS to replace Guillen with and their production numbers over their career:

Vizquel (.276/.342/.360)
Eckstein (.283/.351/.359)
Uribe (.258/.297/.433) - Club Option for 2008.

Guillen (.289/.358/.440) and with the Tigers he has been better than that….

So you are losing a ton of offense replacing Guillen with any of those guys. Dunn has a 13 M club option as well if people plan on replacing Guillen’s bat by putting him at 1B.

As for the comment about Cabrera. You could be absolutely right that he will test free agency. I think that depends on who he is traded to if anyone. If he is available they should offer him whatever it takes.

]]> By: Brian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51655 Brian Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:08:03 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51655 If you go to this link you will see the list of possible 2008 free agents. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/10/2008_mlb_free_a.html So the following players are the possible SS to replace Guillen with and their production numbers over their career: Vizquel (.276/.342/.360) Eckstein (.283/.351/.359) Uribe (.258/.297/.433) - Club Option for 2008. Guillen (.289/.358/.440) and with the Tigers he has been better than that.... So you are losing a ton of offense replacing Guillen with any of those guys. Dunn has a 13 M club option as well if people plan on replacing Guillen's bat by putting him at 1B. As for the comment about Cabrera. You could be absolutely right that he will test free agency. I think that depends on who he is traded to if anyone. If he is available they should offer him whatever it takes. If you go to this link you will see the list of possible 2008 free agents.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ree_a.html

So the following players are the possible SS to replace Guillen with and their production numbers over their career:

Vizquel (.276/.342/.360)
Eckstein (.283/.351/.359)
Uribe (.258/.297/.433) - Club Option for 2008.

Guillen (.289/.358/.440) and with the Tigers he has been better than that….

So you are losing a ton of offense replacing Guillen with any of those guys. Dunn has a 13 M club option as well if people plan on replacing Guillen’s bat by putting him at 1B.

As for the comment about Cabrera. You could be absolutely right that he will test free agency. I think that depends on who he is traded to if anyone. If he is available they should offer him whatever it takes.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51647 Mike R Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:09:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51647 Alex Rodriguez has lost weight to improve his range and mobility and, in my opinion, to say that he could not play SS anymore is just plain foolish. He's the best defensive SS on the Yankees squad and if/when he moves back to SS he'll be the best all around SS in baseball. It's not like he's 45 years old and out there for records, he's still got above average range (which will improve with him dropping a few lbs), a very good arm, and (save for last year) an accurate arm as well. Just because he hasn't become Brooks Robinson at 3B doesn't mean he's washed up as a fielder. Alex Rodriguez has lost weight to improve his range and mobility and, in my opinion, to say that he could not play SS anymore is just plain foolish. He’s the best defensive SS on the Yankees squad and if/when he moves back to SS he’ll be the best all around SS in baseball. It’s not like he’s 45 years old and out there for records, he’s still got above average range (which will improve with him dropping a few lbs), a very good arm, and (save for last year) an accurate arm as well. Just because he hasn’t become Brooks Robinson at 3B doesn’t mean he’s washed up as a fielder.

]]> By: adr http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51641 adr Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:31:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51641 I think the fundamental point of this post is solid - you can pay a LOT of guys $30+m for four years. Many of them make you wish you hadn't With Guillen you know you're getting a first rate performer. I'll take the devil I know, thanks. I think the fundamental point of this post is solid - you can pay a LOT of guys $30+m for four years. Many of them make you wish you hadn’t With Guillen you know you’re getting a first rate performer. I’ll take the devil I know, thanks.

]]> By: Tim D http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51637 Tim D Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:01:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51637 A couple of thoughts: ARod can't even play 3B right now. He's bigger, slower and I don't see him going back to SS. Inge doesn't have SS range. Infante could still be good, although Leyland seems down on him. Polanco and Guillen make a great combo right now and maybe for '08, IF they are healthy. A big if, especially with Guillen. I love Guillen as a player but 5 years and $80 mil is crazy money for him. If I were DD I would be looking to deal for a young SS who can't land a job, like Erick Aybar for instance. Then they can move Guillen to 1b, to dh or to a Tony Phillips type utility slot, which he would be great at. I can't see Guillen full time at 2B, 2Bs get hurt constantly. Miguel Cabrera at 8 years $160 mil is a better deal than Guillen for 5 and 80. Let him go if he can get it from somebody else. But I do think they will sign him. A couple of thoughts:

ARod can’t even play 3B right now. He’s bigger, slower and I don’t see him going back to SS. Inge doesn’t have SS range. Infante could still be good, although Leyland seems down on him. Polanco and Guillen make a great combo right now and maybe for ‘08, IF they are healthy. A big if, especially with Guillen. I love Guillen as a player but 5 years and $80 mil is crazy money for him. If I were DD I would be looking to deal for a young SS who can’t land a job, like Erick Aybar for instance. Then they can move Guillen to 1b, to dh or to a Tony Phillips type utility slot, which he would be great at. I can’t see Guillen full time at 2B, 2Bs get hurt constantly. Miguel Cabrera at 8 years $160 mil is a better deal than Guillen for 5 and 80. Let him go if he can get it from somebody else. But I do think they will sign him.

]]> By: Chris Y. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51632 Chris Y. Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:13:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/the-guillen-gamble/#comment-51632 "If he wants 3 give it to him, if he wants 4 or 5 give it to him but with protection clauses, he is wayyy to valuable to lose" - David Totally agree with this statement. 4-5 years is a HUGE gamble. Besides Yuniesky Betancourt should be about ready for shipment by then....maybe Bavasi'll take Ramon back??? “If he wants 3 give it to him, if he wants 4 or 5 give it to him but with protection clauses, he is wayyy to valuable to lose” - David

Totally agree with this statement. 4-5 years is a HUGE gamble. Besides Yuniesky Betancourt should be about ready for shipment by then….maybe Bavasi’ll take Ramon back???

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