Comments on: Making their own luck http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Brian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51851 Brian Sun, 18 Mar 2007 04:44:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51851 Nate typically is between 91-93. That is actually a hard throwing lefty. Nate typically is between 91-93. That is actually a hard throwing lefty.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51840 David Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:43:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51840 Yea maybe with a combo of the fact that he played roughly half of his games in COPA, and also he was one of only 4 other rightfielders to play more than 140 games Yea maybe with a combo of the fact that he played roughly half of his games in COPA, and also he was one of only 4 other rightfielders to play more than 140 games

]]> By: jvwalt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51837 jvwalt Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:18:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51837 David: I haven't checked any statistics, but maybe Tigers' opponents hit a lot of fly balls to right. Many of their right-handed pitchers were hard throwers (Bonderman, Verlander, Zumaya), while their primary lefties throw softer (Rogers, Gum Time, Walker). That could have skewed the distribution of batted balls toward the right, and provided a big boost to Maggs' putout numbers. David: I haven’t checked any statistics, but maybe Tigers’ opponents hit a lot of fly balls to right. Many of their right-handed pitchers were hard throwers (Bonderman, Verlander, Zumaya), while their primary lefties throw softer (Rogers, Gum Time, Walker). That could have skewed the distribution of batted balls toward the right, and provided a big boost to Maggs’ putout numbers.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51834 David Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:46:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51834 Guillen was third in assists in the American League for shortstops after Michael Young, and Jhonny Peralta. While I think his range was good, it was alot better in '04. Whereas Inge had the most assists of any 3rd bagger and by a wide margin. Shoulda won a gold glove, sigh... As for outfielders I think you can measure their range somewhat by putouts. Monroe was 10th in the AL in putouts. Somehow Magglio was 3rd (after Dye and Abreu) in putouts, and 3rd also in assists after (Cuddyer and Abreu), Monroe was second in assists for leftfielders after Melky. Although one could interpret this to say that Maggs was a very quality defender, I would disagree. He seemed to be able to turn himself on and off when he wanted to... Guillen was third in assists in the American League for shortstops after Michael Young, and Jhonny Peralta. While I think his range was good, it was alot better in ’04.

Whereas Inge had the most assists of any 3rd bagger and by a wide margin. Shoulda won a gold glove, sigh…

As for outfielders I think you can measure their range somewhat by putouts. Monroe was 10th in the AL in putouts. Somehow Magglio was 3rd (after Dye and Abreu) in putouts, and 3rd also in assists after (Cuddyer and Abreu), Monroe was second in assists for leftfielders after Melky.
Although one could interpret this to say that Maggs was a very quality defender, I would disagree. He seemed to be able to turn himself on and off when he wanted to…

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51828 billfer Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:42:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51828 I'll see if I can mine some data that shows the rate of ground ball hits to the right side in August and September when Polanco was injured and Casey took over first. I’ll see if I can mine some data that shows the rate of ground ball hits to the right side in August and September when Polanco was injured and Casey took over first.

]]> By: Brian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51827 Brian Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:32:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51827 One interesting point with the right side defense is that statistically there was a drop in defense from Shelton to Casey. Perception says it is the other way but Shelton was actually an excellent 1B. One interesting point with the right side defense is that statistically there was a drop in defense from Shelton to Casey. Perception says it is the other way but Shelton was actually an excellent 1B.

]]> By: jvwalt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51826 jvwalt Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:17:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51826 One obvious point is that the two left-handers fared well, and the two right-handers did not. It might indicate that the 3B/SS/LF defense is collectively better than 1B/2B/RF. Aside from Inge being an outstanding defensive third baseman, I don't know if this was true for the 2006 Tigers. Did Guillen have more range than Polanco? How do Monroe and Ordonez compare? One obvious point is that the two left-handers fared well, and the two right-handers did not. It might indicate that the 3B/SS/LF defense is collectively better than 1B/2B/RF. Aside from Inge being an outstanding defensive third baseman, I don’t know if this was true for the 2006 Tigers. Did Guillen have more range than Polanco? How do Monroe and Ordonez compare?

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51825 Jeff M Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:13:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51825 <blockquote><b>may</b> - emphasis on <b>may</b> - in <b>some</b> cases be a <b>part</b> of the reason.</blockquote> Please be careful out on that limb. ;)

may – emphasis on may – in some cases be a part of the reason.

Please be careful out on that limb. ;)

]]> By: Brian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51818 Brian Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:37:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/03/making-their-own-luck/#comment-51818 I think this could be one of the reasons to look at. Both Verlander and Rogers are known for above average pickoff moves. Rogers is a gold glove defender that makes plays that a lot of pitchers won't. Perhaps it is the fact that they get runners that reach base out by themselves at a decent clip. One other theory I have heard is that a high groundball ratio can lead to a luck in the dips performance. I think that makes sense because you limit the number of extra base hits, especially homeruns, and ground balls can erase runners comepletely if hit at the right fielder. I think this could be one of the reasons to look at. Both Verlander and Rogers are known for above average pickoff moves. Rogers is a gold glove defender that makes plays that a lot of pitchers won’t.

Perhaps it is the fact that they get runners that reach base out by themselves at a decent clip.

One other theory I have heard is that a high groundball ratio can lead to a luck in the dips performance.

I think that makes sense because you limit the number of extra base hits, especially homeruns, and ground balls can erase runners comepletely if hit at the right fielder.

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