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		<title>By: jdurb56</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/02/all-zumaya-linking/#comment-51078</link>
		<dc:creator>jdurb56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guitar Hero Zumay,
 
He should be smart. He is being paid by an organization a good dollar much more than where you could end up if he has further problems.

Lay off for a while to see what happens.

If he is gripping the ball as hard as he says when pitching, when will that also come into play causing more of an injury.

I wish him luck, but if there is any question in Detroit's mind they should have him back off and see.

They cannot play in any pick up games for charity in the off season without permission due to being afraid of an injury.
Detroit apparantly is willing to take the risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guitar Hero Zumay,</p>
<p>He should be smart. He is being paid by an organization a good dollar much more than where you could end up if he has further problems.</p>
<p>Lay off for a while to see what happens.</p>
<p>If he is gripping the ball as hard as he says when pitching, when will that also come into play causing more of an injury.</p>
<p>I wish him luck, but if there is any question in Detroit&#8217;s mind they should have him back off and see.</p>
<p>They cannot play in any pick up games for charity in the off season without permission due to being afraid of an injury.<br />
Detroit apparantly is willing to take the risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan S</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/02/all-zumaya-linking/#comment-51075</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone mildly addicted to Guitar Hero, I can definitely say that after a half hour of so, my right hand and forearm start to cramp up a bit.  Let's hope that Zoom can show some restraint.

As for the starter/reliever debate, I can't see the Tigers wanting to start all over, so to speak, with him.  He's admitted in the past that the velocity he's capable of isn't something he can sustain for more than a couple of innings.  That said, he'd have to learn a whole new style of pitching (not to mention a few new pitches).  With the incredible success he had last year, I wouldn't want to risk the confidence he's gained by trying to switch him over.  He has the potential to be the most dominant reliever in the game.  I'll take that over the risk of messing him up with a major change in style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone mildly addicted to Guitar Hero, I can definitely say that after a half hour of so, my right hand and forearm start to cramp up a bit.  Let&#8217;s hope that Zoom can show some restraint.</p>
<p>As for the starter/reliever debate, I can&#8217;t see the Tigers wanting to start all over, so to speak, with him.  He&#8217;s admitted in the past that the velocity he&#8217;s capable of isn&#8217;t something he can sustain for more than a couple of innings.  That said, he&#8217;d have to learn a whole new style of pitching (not to mention a few new pitches).  With the incredible success he had last year, I wouldn&#8217;t want to risk the confidence he&#8217;s gained by trying to switch him over.  He has the potential to be the most dominant reliever in the game.  I&#8217;ll take that over the risk of messing him up with a major change in style.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/02/all-zumaya-linking/#comment-51057</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoom-Zoom is an Idiot!

OK, so he is going to have to produce 3 more solid years until he gets the multimillion dollar contract (if he is worth a long term deal at that point - ala Bonderman).  It will be at least 5 more years until free agency. 

If there is a remote chance that this air guitar game is going to jeopardize his value, why would he do it?? He just got engaged; he will be just a blip on the screen of baseball history and will not set himself for life if he continues to have arm problems.

For his sake, he should quit the game for the next 3 years!

-Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoom-Zoom is an Idiot!</p>
<p>OK, so he is going to have to produce 3 more solid years until he gets the multimillion dollar contract (if he is worth a long term deal at that point - ala Bonderman).  It will be at least 5 more years until free agency. </p>
<p>If there is a remote chance that this air guitar game is going to jeopardize his value, why would he do it?? He just got engaged; he will be just a blip on the screen of baseball history and will not set himself for life if he continues to have arm problems.</p>
<p>For his sake, he should quit the game for the next 3 years!</p>
<p>-Sam</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/02/all-zumaya-linking/#comment-51046</link>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First - yes I have never played the game so I don't know what kind of impact it has.  I have also never had the ability to throw the ball 100mph and go the World Series at 21 (which most haven't) so I can't fully appreciate what it's like to be facing a career that will earn me millions either.

What we know is the injury isn't typical of pitchers, but it is of guitar players.  I don't know that the game causes the injury, but what if it does?

I don't care how fun the game is, and I've never chastised the game.  What I don't get is why a player would bring unnecessary risk on themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First - yes I have never played the game so I don&#8217;t know what kind of impact it has.  I have also never had the ability to throw the ball 100mph and go the World Series at 21 (which most haven&#8217;t) so I can&#8217;t fully appreciate what it&#8217;s like to be facing a career that will earn me millions either.</p>
<p>What we know is the injury isn&#8217;t typical of pitchers, but it is of guitar players.  I don&#8217;t know that the game causes the injury, but what if it does?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care how fun the game is, and I&#8217;ve never chastised the game.  What I don&#8217;t get is why a player would bring unnecessary risk on themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: The tough, tough central, link roundup &#187; Mack Avenue Tigers : A Detroit Tigers Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/02/all-zumaya-linking/#comment-51041</link>
		<dc:creator>The tough, tough central, link roundup &#187; Mack Avenue Tigers : A Detroit Tigers Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Speaking of blogging, Gage says Joel Zumaya will stop talking about Guitar Hero. Good thing because Samara nearly had a heart attack. (Hat tip Bilfer). Note to News: still can&#8217;t link directly to a post! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Speaking of blogging, Gage says Joel Zumaya will stop talking about Guitar Hero. Good thing because Samara nearly had a heart attack. (Hat tip Bilfer). Note to News: still can&#8217;t link directly to a post! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy in WB</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/02/all-zumaya-linking/#comment-51039</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy in WB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, there is no proof that Guitar Hero was the reason for his arm problem.  Second, as a starter he would have to relearn how to pace himself, which is easier said than done.  And Third, he likes his role, has himself mentally prepared for his role, at 21 he has the chance to become THE MOST DOMINATING set up man or closer ever.  If you don't believe me, just read anything about Mariano Rivera and how he thinks he's unappreciated.

Going back to the Guitar Hero thing, Zoom said it was because he was gripping the ball to hard.  Tigers couldn't find a definate reason so it's better to tell the world that it was because of the game than saying "we don't know" why (I read that in the paper I think).  I can totally believe the gripping the ball too hard, just clench your fist over and over again, your forearm will get sore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, there is no proof that Guitar Hero was the reason for his arm problem.  Second, as a starter he would have to relearn how to pace himself, which is easier said than done.  And Third, he likes his role, has himself mentally prepared for his role, at 21 he has the chance to become THE MOST DOMINATING set up man or closer ever.  If you don&#8217;t believe me, just read anything about Mariano Rivera and how he thinks he&#8217;s unappreciated.</p>
<p>Going back to the Guitar Hero thing, Zoom said it was because he was gripping the ball to hard.  Tigers couldn&#8217;t find a definate reason so it&#8217;s better to tell the world that it was because of the game than saying &#8220;we don&#8217;t know&#8221; why (I read that in the paper I think).  I can totally believe the gripping the ball too hard, just clench your fist over and over again, your forearm will get sore.</p>
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		<title>By: ripismoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>ripismoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having received Guitar Hero for Christmas, I can honestly say that I could have cared less about my carpal tunnel that was developing in my left right -- it was too fun to put down. Zumaya should be okay if he moderates his playing time, however, regardless of whether the game affects him at all. And I'm all for him staying in the pen -- we already have a solid rotation, and at 100 mph and 21 years old, we should at least be able to keep one of our arms from breaking down early in the career from overuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having received Guitar Hero for Christmas, I can honestly say that I could have cared less about my carpal tunnel that was developing in my left right &#8212; it was too fun to put down. Zumaya should be okay if he moderates his playing time, however, regardless of whether the game affects him at all. And I&#8217;m all for him staying in the pen &#8212; we already have a solid rotation, and at 100 mph and 21 years old, we should at least be able to keep one of our arms from breaking down early in the career from overuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo SunDevil</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/02/all-zumaya-linking/#comment-51025</link>
		<dc:creator>Jojo SunDevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO WAY!! Zumaya should be a starter.  Zumaya is a hard thrower, and hes still only 21.  To make him a starter and have him learning how to change speeds with that kind of arm strength, would potentially lead to arm damage.

He is best used, for now at least, as either a set up man or a closer.  He has great speeds on his fastball and slider.  One inning and the other team doesn't know what him.

But starter no way. Verlander is different because he knows how to pitch long innnings as he has developed three or four pitches.  But Zoom Zoom is a straight up hard thrower.

As for the video game, can we all pitch in and get this kid a Nintendo and RBI baseball.  He'll be totally addicted, just as we were when we were kids.  I got $5 on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO WAY!! Zumaya should be a starter.  Zumaya is a hard thrower, and hes still only 21.  To make him a starter and have him learning how to change speeds with that kind of arm strength, would potentially lead to arm damage.</p>
<p>He is best used, for now at least, as either a set up man or a closer.  He has great speeds on his fastball and slider.  One inning and the other team doesn&#8217;t know what him.</p>
<p>But starter no way. Verlander is different because he knows how to pitch long innnings as he has developed three or four pitches.  But Zoom Zoom is a straight up hard thrower.</p>
<p>As for the video game, can we all pitch in and get this kid a Nintendo and RBI baseball.  He&#8217;ll be totally addicted, just as we were when we were kids.  I got $5 on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm thinking Zoom should be left to middle/short relief. Consider that he'll probably have to lay off the speed as a starter to last any decent length of time in that role and it doesn't seem a worthwhile move. He's fantastic at the later innings and is equally great as a set-up man. If he's given three or even four innings late he keeps his arm reasonably loose still and he gives the Tigers a solid reliever. (Minor, Ledezma and Rodney, though all young too, seemed to struggle more in their relief duties than Zumaya did.) I'm not convinced that his arm will get used up in a hurry as a middle/short reliever; I think it would make him last much longer and make him a more valuable commodity as he gets more experience.

As for the GH playing issue, I'm with jvwalt and wyrmer. I'm sure the trainers have this all figured out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking Zoom should be left to middle/short relief. Consider that he&#8217;ll probably have to lay off the speed as a starter to last any decent length of time in that role and it doesn&#8217;t seem a worthwhile move. He&#8217;s fantastic at the later innings and is equally great as a set-up man. If he&#8217;s given three or even four innings late he keeps his arm reasonably loose still and he gives the Tigers a solid reliever. (Minor, Ledezma and Rodney, though all young too, seemed to struggle more in their relief duties than Zumaya did.) I&#8217;m not convinced that his arm will get used up in a hurry as a middle/short reliever; I think it would make him last much longer and make him a more valuable commodity as he gets more experience.</p>
<p>As for the GH playing issue, I&#8217;m with jvwalt and wyrmer. I&#8217;m sure the trainers have this all figured out.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinking Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

 I go back and forth on how Zoom should be used. The way the Tigers are set up, it makes sense to groom him for the closer's role. He is a young Goose Gossage if ever there was one.
 The other part of me says that his arm will get used up quick as a short reliever. Most closers don't have long careers. In general, I think the position is over-valued anyway. A top-flight starter, I think, has much more value over the long haul. Now, there is no guarantee that he wont blow out his arm as a starter. But how about a staff of Verlander, Bondo, Miller and Zoom? If they all stayed healthy and perform likes everyone thinks they will, it would make the Tigers a championship threat every year for a decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p> I go back and forth on how Zoom should be used. The way the Tigers are set up, it makes sense to groom him for the closer&#8217;s role. He is a young Goose Gossage if ever there was one.<br />
 The other part of me says that his arm will get used up quick as a short reliever. Most closers don&#8217;t have long careers. In general, I think the position is over-valued anyway. A top-flight starter, I think, has much more value over the long haul. Now, there is no guarantee that he wont blow out his arm as a starter. But how about a staff of Verlander, Bondo, Miller and Zoom? If they all stayed healthy and perform likes everyone thinks they will, it would make the Tigers a championship threat every year for a decade.</p>
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