Comments on: Examining Depth of Plate Appearances http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:49:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Detroit Tigers Weblog 2007 Year in Review http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-75353 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Detroit Tigers Weblog 2007 Year in Review Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:16:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-75353 [...] I began writing more than most cared to know about first pitch swinging and other stuff about plate appearances. [...] [...] I began writing more than most cared to know about first pitch swinging and other stuff about plate appearances. [...]

]]> By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Plate Appearance Depth for pitchers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-49822 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Plate Appearance Depth for pitchers Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:33:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-49822 [...] Hitter Files: Pitches per Plate Appearance Related: Examining Depth of Plate Appearances [...] [...] Hitter Files: Pitches per Plate Appearance Related: Examining Depth of Plate Appearances [...]

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48918 billfer Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:25:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48918 Mark - I fully understand some of the issues and I wasn't necessarily trying to come up with new theories or meanings. It was simply a look back at what happened. It was born out of one of the big complaints about the Tigers offense is that they couldn't work deep in the count. If I was going to try and extract anything from this, it may be that the theory of waiting out a pitcher until he makes a mistake is probably hampered by the fact that because players are swinging more defensively later in the count with 2 strikes they aren't really crushing those mistakes. Mark - I fully understand some of the issues and I wasn’t necessarily trying to come up with new theories or meanings. It was simply a look back at what happened. It was born out of one of the big complaints about the Tigers offense is that they couldn’t work deep in the count.

If I was going to try and extract anything from this, it may be that the theory of waiting out a pitcher until he makes a mistake is probably hampered by the fact that because players are swinging more defensively later in the count with 2 strikes they aren’t really crushing those mistakes.

]]> By: Mark http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48695 Mark Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:31:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48695 The problem with using pitch count as the independent variable is that certain situations are mutually exclusive. For example, a one or two pitch count plate appearance means the ball was hit into play. A player can not reach base on a walk without a plate appearance with at least 4 pitches. The variety of situations inherent in each pitch count variable makes some of this analysis less meaningful. For example, a 10 pitch plate appearance could be 6 straight 2-2 count pitches, a 3-1 count followed by 5 straight strikes/fouls, or many different situations. The problem with using pitch count as the independent variable is that certain situations are mutually exclusive.

For example, a one or two pitch count plate appearance means the ball was hit into play. A player can not reach base on a walk without a plate appearance with at least 4 pitches.

The variety of situations inherent in each pitch count variable makes some of this analysis less meaningful. For example, a 10 pitch plate appearance could be 6 straight 2-2 count pitches, a 3-1 count followed by 5 straight strikes/fouls, or many different situations.

]]> By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Pitches per Plate Appearance http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48545 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Pitches per Plate Appearance Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:01:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48545 [...] billfer: Jeff - that's something I can check, sort of. Give me a couple days. [...] [...] billfer: Jeff - that’s something I can check, sort of. Give me a couple days. [...]

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48333 billfer Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:33:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48333 Jeff - that's something I can check, sort of. Give me a couple days. Jeff - that’s something I can check, sort of. Give me a couple days.

]]> By: Marshall in DC http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48212 Marshall in DC Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:56:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-48212 Wow - those are Great stats. Of course my first reaction is baseball fans don't get out much, but my second reaction was this really pinpoints something that we have seen. You look at Pudge for example. He would make one or two bad swings early and it is like he gives up the at bat by trying to do too much with the later pitches. Almost like he is over thinking it. Wow - those are Great stats. Of course my first reaction is baseball fans don’t get out much, but my second reaction was this really pinpoints something that we have seen. You look at Pudge for example. He would make one or two bad swings early and it is like he gives up the at bat by trying to do too much with the later pitches. Almost like he is over thinking it.

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-47979 Jeff M Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:47:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/01/examining-depth-of-plate-appearances/#comment-47979 Great job, Billfer. There's only one question left: To what degree did they follow the advice in Lloyd's quote? Great job, Billfer. There’s only one question left: To what degree did they follow the advice in Lloyd’s quote?

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