Comments on: The problem with Sean Casey http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dacow http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-52210 Dacow Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:40:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-52210 Casey actually can receive throws quite well. He can dig em out and go after it pretty well. His range is very poor. Seeing him in Cincy all those years, he can have very good years in which I think he would be a better choice for Detroit, but he can have very poor years as well. I ask you this, how do you think Shelton would have done in the Series? No comparison. Casey actually can receive throws quite well. He can dig em out and go after it pretty well. His range is very poor. Seeing him in Cincy all those years, he can have very good years in which I think he would be a better choice for Detroit, but he can have very poor years as well.

I ask you this, how do you think Shelton would have done in the Series? No comparison.

]]> By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Does Shelton still have a shot? http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-52075 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Does Shelton still have a shot? Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:10:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-52075 [...] I’ve long been a Chris Shelton advocate, and if you’ve been reading the blog this winter you know that I stumped for Big Red to be the first baseman over Sean Casey. With Marcus Thames proving to be adequate at first base, it seemed Shelton was destined to be a Mud Hen. But according to Danny Knobler, there just may be room: The surprise this morning was that the Tigers are now wavering on the final position player spot, and Chris Shelton is suddenly back in the picture. Shelton has hit well this spring (.391 through Saturday), but the biggest thing is that the Tigers are starting to wonder how often Sean Casey is going to need a day off at first base — and whether it makes sense to have no other true first baseman on the roster (with Marcus Thames and Carlos Guillen as the available backups). [...] [...] I’ve long been a Chris Shelton advocate, and if you’ve been reading the blog this winter you know that I stumped for Big Red to be the first baseman over Sean Casey. With Marcus Thames proving to be adequate at first base, it seemed Shelton was destined to be a Mud Hen. But according to Danny Knobler, there just may be room: The surprise this morning was that the Tigers are now wavering on the final position player spot, and Chris Shelton is suddenly back in the picture. Shelton has hit well this spring (.391 through Saturday), but the biggest thing is that the Tigers are starting to wonder how often Sean Casey is going to need a day off at first base — and whether it makes sense to have no other true first baseman on the roster (with Marcus Thames and Carlos Guillen as the available backups). [...]

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28532 Kyle J Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:28:17 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28532 At this point, I'm not sure there's even room for Thames and Infante to languish on the bench. I assume they'll carry 13 positional players to start the year. That's four bench players. Wilson is one of them. Either Santiago or Perez has to included for defensive purposes. That leaves two spots. Maybe there's room for Infante. But would you want Thames as your fourth outfielder? You'd have no speed whatsover to insert for Magglio defensively in a close game. And what if Shelton hits the ball in spring training. Doesn't there have to be a spot for him? (I'm thinking here more like Leyland would than how I would.) I'll be very surprised if either Thames or Infante are on the roster when spring training rolls around. At this point, I’m not sure there’s even room for Thames and Infante to languish on the bench. I assume they’ll carry 13 positional players to start the year. That’s four bench players. Wilson is one of them. Either Santiago or Perez has to included for defensive purposes. That leaves two spots. Maybe there’s room for Infante. But would you want Thames as your fourth outfielder? You’d have no speed whatsover to insert for Magglio defensively in a close game. And what if Shelton hits the ball in spring training. Doesn’t there have to be a spot for him?

(I’m thinking here more like Leyland would than how I would.)

I’ll be very surprised if either Thames or Infante are on the roster when spring training rolls around.

]]> By: Joey C. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28529 Joey C. Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:15:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28529 You're right. You don't trade them because it isn't fair to them. You trade them because you're not using them properly and you can probably get something of value in return--be it picks or prospects. That's why I said they have value...this implies that we'd get something worthwhile in return for players whose ability exceeds their current rolls. You’re right. You don’t trade them because it isn’t fair to them. You trade them because you’re not using them properly and you can probably get something of value in return–be it picks or prospects. That’s why I said they have value…this implies that we’d get something worthwhile in return for players whose ability exceeds their current rolls.

]]> By: Eric Jackson http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28522 Eric Jackson Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:53:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28522 I really don't understand the concern for Thames and Infante. Detroit should put together the best starting list they can get and the best bench they can get. I think to many degree's they've done that. You look to trade those guys because you can get players who will have more of an impact. Not because it isn't fair to them. I really don't feel sorry a bit for Thames or Infante both who have had a number of years and many shots on different teams to be real producers. I really don’t understand the concern for Thames and Infante. Detroit should put together the best starting list they can get and the best bench they can get. I think to many degree’s they’ve done that.

You look to trade those guys because you can get players who will have more of an impact. Not because it isn’t fair to them. I really don’t feel sorry a bit for Thames or Infante both who have had a number of years and many shots on different teams to be real producers.

]]> By: Joey C. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28519 Joey C. Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:00:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28519 Mike and Kyle, I think you both make really good points. And in the last week, as I look around the baseball landscape, I've come to appreciate the Sheffield/Casey moves quite a bit more. I guess my only concern now is that we find a team to take Thames and Infante. They have value and it seems a waste to just leave them to languish on our bench. It certainly isn't fair to them. Mike and Kyle,

I think you both make really good points. And in the last week, as I look around the baseball landscape, I’ve come to appreciate the Sheffield/Casey moves quite a bit more.

I guess my only concern now is that we find a team to take Thames and Infante. They have value and it seems a waste to just leave them to languish on our bench. It certainly isn’t fair to them.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28307 Mike R Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:53:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28307 Whether Casey is average or not, what other viable options were out there? Short of trading Bonderman for someone like an Adam Dunn or Mark Teixiera, I don't think there was anyone available that's <i>that</i> much better than Casey. Plus, it never hurts bringing back someone who in half a season became one of the most beloved Tigers on the roster. Also, all the things about Shelton turning it around at the plate seem to be ringing like the things that were said about Carlos Pena -- only Shelton's worse with the glove than Pena. I'm not confident that Shelton will be anymore than a streaky hitter with high peaks and very low valleys. And to those worrying about Casey's weight, correct me if I'm wrong, but he's been virtually the same body shape/weight his entire career. We don't need anything more from Casey than to pick the horrible throws from the left side of the infield and to be one of the two contact hitters on this team. And in this market paying $4 million for him has become virtually a steal. Whether Casey is average or not, what other viable options were out there? Short of trading Bonderman for someone like an Adam Dunn or Mark Teixiera, I don’t think there was anyone available that’s that much better than Casey. Plus, it never hurts bringing back someone who in half a season became one of the most beloved Tigers on the roster.

Also, all the things about Shelton turning it around at the plate seem to be ringing like the things that were said about Carlos Pena — only Shelton’s worse with the glove than Pena. I’m not confident that Shelton will be anymore than a streaky hitter with high peaks and very low valleys.

And to those worrying about Casey’s weight, correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s been virtually the same body shape/weight his entire career.

We don’t need anything more from Casey than to pick the horrible throws from the left side of the infield and to be one of the two contact hitters on this team. And in this market paying $4 million for him has become virtually a steal.

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28276 Kyle J Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:48:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28276 $50 million for Matthews. $100 million for Carlos Lee. $40 million (and the three prospects) for Sheffield is looking pretty reasonable. $50 million for Matthews. $100 million for Carlos Lee. $40 million (and the three prospects) for Sheffield is looking pretty reasonable.

]]> By: fran http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28170 fran Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:07:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28170 Ii think its great Casey is back, I love this guy. He is such a team player and is good for the team. Looking forward to 2007! Ii think its great Casey is back, I love this guy. He is such a team player and is good for the team. Looking forward to 2007!

]]> By: Eric Jackson http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28168 Eric Jackson Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:38:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28168 Interesting rumor I saw over at a Reds blog: http://www.redreporter.com/story/2006/11/20/44846/211 That would be interesting if they were still looking for a big bat like Dunn. I have a hard time believing it could happen though. Interesting rumor I saw over at a Reds blog: http://www.redreporter.com/sto...../44846/211

That would be interesting if they were still looking for a big bat like Dunn. I have a hard time believing it could happen though.

]]> By: Bob S. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28136 Bob S. Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:36:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28136 I had advocated that Gary Matthews Jr. would be a valuable addition for the Tigers in RF.Someone correctly pointed out his career year would inflate his value.Even with that being the case,I figured $6/$7 million x 3/4 years-not exactly break the bank money.$10 million x 5 years is madness. I had advocated that Gary Matthews Jr. would be a valuable addition for the Tigers in RF.Someone correctly pointed out his career year would inflate his value.Even with that being the case,I figured $6/$7 million x 3/4 years-not exactly break the bank money.$10 million x 5 years is madness.

]]> By: Joey C. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28070 Joey C. Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:44:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28070 Totally off-topic... I read a Keith Law piece today just destroying the Dodgers for signing Juan Pierre to a 5 year $44 million deal. This is now two pieces in a row by Law that I actually agree with. And if that made him crazy, imagine what he's going to say about the 5 year, $50 mil deal the other team in LA just handed out to Gary Matthews Jr. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME? The dude is going on 33 years old and has terrible offensive numbers for his career--save for last season which certainly looks like an anomaly to me. This guy hasn't even been a full-time player for most of his career. Last season was his first in which he eclipsed 500 at bats. How is this guy making 10 million a year for 5 years? Nice to see that MLB has lost all its reason again. Totally off-topic…

I read a Keith Law piece today just destroying the Dodgers for signing Juan Pierre to a 5 year $44 million deal. This is now two pieces in a row by Law that I actually agree with.

And if that made him crazy, imagine what he’s going to say about the 5 year, $50 mil deal the other team in LA just handed out to Gary Matthews Jr. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

The dude is going on 33 years old and has terrible offensive numbers for his career–save for last season which certainly looks like an anomaly to me. This guy hasn’t even been a full-time player for most of his career. Last season was his first in which he eclipsed 500 at bats. How is this guy making 10 million a year for 5 years?

Nice to see that MLB has lost all its reason again.

]]> By: Adam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28019 Adam Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:33:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28019 Anyone listen to his conference call? The guy's still 18. And excited as hell about playing next year - I say he does a lot better. Anyone listen to his conference call? The guy’s still 18. And excited as hell about playing next year – I say he does a lot better.

]]> By: Jim McKee http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28012 Jim McKee Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:01:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28012 You can make yourself bonkers worrying too much about stats. Casey is a morale-booster. There's no stat for that. You can make yourself bonkers worrying too much about stats.

Casey is a morale-booster. There’s no stat for that.

]]> By: Mike F http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28007 Mike F Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:46:44 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/the-problem-with-sean-casey/#comment-28007 Carlos Pena is now a free agent. Carlos Pena is now a free agent.

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