Comments on: Sean Casey signed? http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: JOHN K. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-28964 JOHN K. Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:51:29 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-28964 The bottom line with Sean Casey is he will provide the line drive hitter to hit in the gaps and play error less ball in the field. He will provide a higher on base percentage and his left hand bat will balance out the right handers. He is a great personality for the team chemistry. Win/Win situation Men!!! The bottom line with Sean Casey is he will provide the line drive hitter to hit in the gaps and play error less ball in the field. He will provide a higher on base percentage and his left hand bat will balance out the right handers. He is a great personality for the team chemistry. Win/Win situation Men!!!

]]> By: Nick http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27736 Nick Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:21:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27736 Adjusting Casey's numbers to 550 AB's is a bit misleading, since he's onlyhad that many AB's three times in his career, and once over the last three years. Since 2000his SLG has looked like this: .517 .458 .362 .408 .534 .423 .388 If he hits like he did in 99,00 or 04 he'll be an asset. Really, I think the best we can hope for is a 1B with no power but a .350+ OBP. If we get that we should be very happy, because I think we are just as likely to get the 02,03 or 06 Casey that is essentially useless on offense and not terribly impressive on defense. Adjusting Casey’s numbers to 550 AB’s is a bit misleading, since he’s onlyhad that many AB’s three times in his career, and once over the last three years.

Since 2000his SLG has looked like this:

.517
.458
.362
.408
.534
.423
.388

If he hits like he did in 99,00 or 04 he’ll be an asset. Really, I think the best we can hope for is a 1B with no power but a .350+ OBP. If we get that we should be very happy, because I think we are just as likely to get the 02,03 or 06 Casey that is essentially useless on offense and not terribly impressive on defense.

]]> By: Andy in WB http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27674 Andy in WB Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:06:51 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27674 What's the big deal about a number? Tram will always be one of the best Tigers ever and his #3 will be retired eventually. Shef will eventually go into the Hall of Fame, but not as a Tiger. After Shef leaves, probably after 09, the Tigers can then retire the #3. Joe Schmitt allowed the Lions to Unretire his #, and he was already in the Hall of Fame. Regarding Sheff's numbers, the only ones I care about are the one's in the box score. Andy What’s the big deal about a number? Tram will always be one of the best Tigers ever and his #3 will be retired eventually. Shef will eventually go into the Hall of Fame, but not as a Tiger. After Shef leaves, probably after 09, the Tigers can then retire the #3.

Joe Schmitt allowed the Lions to Unretire his #, and he was already in the Hall of Fame.

Regarding Sheff’s numbers, the only ones I care about are the one’s in the box score.

Andy

]]> By: Joshua M. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27624 Joshua M. Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:02:04 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27624 Wow I think the biggest mistake about Shef getting the #3 is that it hasnt been retired yet. Trammell is one of the first names associated with the Detroit Tigers and for it to not be retired yet seems an injustice. I think Trammell has had to go through enough this past year without having to field questions about a new power hitter Illitch signed taking his old #. As far as the Casey signing I think the worst part of the deal is having to watch him lift that back leg between every single pitch. For that reason alone I hope Shelton has a big year. And I still wish we had signed Frank Catalanotto to play first his 2006 stats are (with caseys second: G-128 G-112 AB-437 AB-397 R-56 R-47 H-131 H-108 2B-36 2B-22 3B-2 3B-0 HR-7 HR-8 RBI-56 RBI-59 BB-52 BB-33 K-37 K-43 AVG-.300 AVG-.272 OBP-.376 OBP-.336 SLG-.439 SLG-.388 OPS-.816 OPS-.724 They are the same age and Cat has to be faster than Casey. Not to mention that against the AL Central the only team Casey hit higher than .300 against was the White Sox. (Cat's avg's second) CWS-.325 CWS-.304 CLE-.267 CLE-.000(1 game 4 AB) KC-.212 KC-.357 MIN-.100 MIN-.273 Neither are great numbers but def comparable with Cat being faster and a better fielder than Casey in my opinion. Here are Cat's # compared to Casey's with runners on. Cat's avg second Runners on-.320 .354 RISP-.310 .330 RISP w/2 out-.231 .375 Bases Loaded-.250 .455 Man on 3rd Wow I think the biggest mistake about Shef getting the #3 is that it hasnt been retired yet. Trammell is one of the first names associated with the Detroit Tigers and for it to not be retired yet seems an injustice. I think Trammell has had to go through enough this past year without having to field questions about a new power hitter Illitch signed taking his old #. As far as the Casey signing I think the worst part of the deal is having to watch him lift that back leg between every single pitch. For that reason alone I hope Shelton has a big year. And I still wish we had signed Frank Catalanotto to play first his 2006 stats are (with caseys second:
G-128 G-112
AB-437 AB-397
R-56 R-47
H-131 H-108
2B-36 2B-22
3B-2 3B-0
HR-7 HR-8
RBI-56 RBI-59
BB-52 BB-33
K-37 K-43
AVG-.300 AVG-.272
OBP-.376 OBP-.336
SLG-.439 SLG-.388
OPS-.816 OPS-.724

They are the same age and Cat has to be faster than Casey. Not to mention that against the AL Central the only team Casey hit higher than .300 against was the White Sox. (Cat’s avg’s second)
CWS-.325 CWS-.304
CLE-.267 CLE-.000(1 game 4 AB)
KC-.212 KC-.357
MIN-.100 MIN-.273

Neither are great numbers but def comparable with Cat being faster and a better fielder than Casey in my opinion. Here are Cat’s # compared to Casey’s with runners on. Cat’s avg second
Runners on-.320 .354
RISP-.310 .330
RISP w/2 out-.231 .375
Bases Loaded-.250 .455
Man on 3rd

]]> By: Eric Jackson http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27611 Eric Jackson Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:41:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27611 I'm glad to see Casey back. I’m glad to see Casey back.

]]> By: Bob S. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27398 Bob S. Sat, 18 Nov 2006 07:37:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27398 What can Trammell say about it that isn't beneath him as a person and player?It's a mistake to give #3 to anyone,and a bigger mistake it hasn't been retired by the team yet.Tradition is one thing that sets the Tigers apart from other franchises and that tradition is being ignored by failing to honor one of their all-time greats and possibly one of the last players who will play their entire career in the same uniform. What can Trammell say about it that isn’t beneath him as a person and player?It’s a mistake to give #3 to anyone,and a bigger mistake it hasn’t been retired by the team yet.Tradition is one thing that sets the Tigers apart from other franchises and that tradition is being ignored by failing to honor one of their all-time greats and possibly one of the last players who will play their entire career in the same uniform.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27394 Kurt Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:55:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27394 just on the number thing, Jason Beck had two posts. -- http://beck.mlblogs.com/ "Nobody wore it this year after Trammell was out as manager. Sheffield was in a tough spot, because the numbers he has worn during his career -- 10 and 11 -- are associated with the current manager and the winningest manager in franchise history, respectively." Trammell on #3: "I have no problem with that. I hope he does well. I think it was a very nice move by the Tigers to acquire him. He's a super player. "He's been a great player for a long period of time. But again, the number's not retired. But just for [clubhouse manager] Jim [Schmakel] to call, it's nice." -- Of course Trammell is too classy to say anything negative, so we don't know if he truly believes it, but I'll choose to take his word for it. just on the number thing, Jason Beck had two posts.
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http://beck.mlblogs.com/

“Nobody wore it this year after Trammell was out as manager. Sheffield was in a tough spot, because the numbers he has worn during his career — 10 and 11 — are associated with the current manager and the winningest manager in franchise history, respectively.”

Trammell on #3:

“I have no problem with that. I hope he does well. I think it was a very nice move by the Tigers to acquire him. He’s a super player.

“He’s been a great player for a long period of time. But again, the number’s not retired. But just for [clubhouse manager] Jim [Schmakel] to call, it’s nice.”

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Of course Trammell is too classy to say anything negative, so we don’t know if he truly believes it, but I’ll choose to take his word for it.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27383 Johnny Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:41:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27383 Nothing in the world wrong with this signing. Career average of .302, and .306 over the last three years. Casey's last three years stats adjusted to 550 atbats - 36 doubles, 15 HR's, 80 RBI's, 82 runs, Less than 50 K's. If his back is right, and his legs hold up, I don't see why he can't put up these kind of numbers. Plus, he'll likely get most of his atbats in the 7 hole. I'll take it. Shelton needs to go back to Toledo and regain is confidence. I watched almost all the games last year, and Chris looked mighty poor with the bat. He seemed to be trying to do too much with an alarmingly slow bat. Nothing in the world wrong with this signing. Career average of .302, and .306 over the last three years. Casey’s last three years stats adjusted to 550 atbats – 36 doubles, 15 HR’s, 80 RBI’s, 82 runs, Less than 50 K’s. If his back is right, and his legs hold up, I don’t see why he can’t put up these kind of numbers. Plus, he’ll likely get most of his atbats in the 7 hole. I’ll take it.

Shelton needs to go back to Toledo and regain is confidence. I watched almost all the games last year, and Chris looked mighty poor with the bat. He seemed to be trying to do too much with an alarmingly slow bat.

]]> By: Don http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27348 Don Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:36:34 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27348 I like granderson for next year too, people talk about the strikeouts, but a lot of great hitters strike out a ton before they learn to recognize big league breaking pitches. Guys like beltran, miguel cabrera, teixiera, jason bay, aramis ramirez all struck out a ton early on before taking more walks and hitting for more power and average in their second and third years. look for .280/.360/.500 from him over the next two years. I like granderson for next year too, people talk about the strikeouts, but a lot of great hitters strike out a ton before they learn to recognize big league breaking pitches. Guys like beltran, miguel cabrera, teixiera, jason bay, aramis ramirez all struck out a ton early on before taking more walks and hitting for more power and average in their second and third years. look for .280/.360/.500 from him over the next two years.

]]> By: Chris in Nashville http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27303 Chris in Nashville Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:23:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27303 I agree, teh key to the offense becoming more consistent is Granderson geting on base more next year. He only swung at strikes in the first half and walked WAY more than he did in the second half. If he doesn't get on base, it doens't matter if we have Sheffield because he won't have anyone on base to drive in. As far as Sheff wearing #3, I don't think that is accurate, no way. He only wore #10 or #11 is whole career to the best of my recollection, and I think those numbers are available. Why would you give up Tram's #? You know that will be retired one day, so that can't be right. And I don't get why everyone is so down on Guillen at SS. He is an above average SS and has great range. Most of his errors are on throws. If he got his arm angle up instead of the little sidearm sling he has, I think that would be greatly reduced. And I think Inge is at 3rd for the rest of his career and will have few GG's to show for it. I agree, teh key to the offense becoming more consistent is Granderson geting on base more next year. He only swung at strikes in the first half and walked WAY more than he did in the second half. If he doesn’t get on base, it doens’t matter if we have Sheffield because he won’t have anyone on base to drive in. As far as Sheff wearing #3, I don’t think that is accurate, no way. He only wore #10 or #11 is whole career to the best of my recollection, and I think those numbers are available. Why would you give up Tram’s #? You know that will be retired one day, so that can’t be right. And I don’t get why everyone is so down on Guillen at SS. He is an above average SS and has great range. Most of his errors are on throws. If he got his arm angle up instead of the little sidearm sling he has, I think that would be greatly reduced. And I think Inge is at 3rd for the rest of his career and will have few GG’s to show for it.

]]> By: Nick http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27297 Nick Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:33:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27297 We really need Granderson to step up and Ordonez to hit like he did in the first half. That, combined with a full year of Sheffield, will make up for a likely decline in run prevention next year. If Sheffield gets hurt, or Ordonez and Gradnerson hit like they did in the 2nd half, we are going to have trouble scoring runs and we'll need to lead the league in run prevention again if we want another shot at the playoffs. We really need Granderson to step up and Ordonez to hit like he did in the first half. That, combined with a full year of Sheffield, will make up for a likely decline in run prevention next year. If Sheffield gets hurt, or Ordonez and Gradnerson hit like they did in the 2nd half, we are going to have trouble scoring runs and we’ll need to lead the league in run prevention again if we want another shot at the playoffs.

]]> By: Adam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27293 Adam Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:10:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27293 I just listened to the conference call. I really think this is going to be a good move. Screw Huff, or Dunn. Casey might run like a mule, but he's only 32. I'm predicting a career year from Granderson, Inge (defensively as well - need that Gold Glove this time, bud.), Monroe, and...yeah, Casey. It's a lot easier to play well when you absolutely love the team you're playing for. And I think a lot of the guys on this team feel that way. This team is America - the melting pot. I love the diversity. All the different countries represented, featured latinos and African Americans...all I could think about when we played the Cardinals was that they were all white save Taguchi and Wilson. And Belliard. Maybe. Or maybe it's just his tongue that's making me think that. Anyway. I'm getting cable this next summer just so I can come home after a hard day at work and watch the game. Can't wait. TIGERS '07!!! I just listened to the conference call. I really think this is going to be a good move. Screw Huff, or Dunn. Casey might run like a mule, but he’s only 32.

I’m predicting a career year from Granderson, Inge (defensively as well – need that Gold Glove this time, bud.), Monroe, and…yeah, Casey. It’s a lot easier to play well when you absolutely love the team you’re playing for. And I think a lot of the guys on this team feel that way. This team is America – the melting pot. I love the diversity. All the different countries represented, featured latinos and African Americans…all I could think about when we played the Cardinals was that they were all white save Taguchi and Wilson. And Belliard. Maybe. Or maybe it’s just his tongue that’s making me think that.

Anyway. I’m getting cable this next summer just so I can come home after a hard day at work and watch the game. Can’t wait. TIGERS ‘07!!!

]]> By: Brad http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27292 Brad Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:59:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27292 What`s the big deal about re-signing Casey! I think it`s great! Sure he`s not the best ou there, but so what! He did a great job for us this last year. Big names do not mean big numbers or big years, look at the Yankees! Casey is a perfect fit for the Tigers!!! What`s the big deal about re-signing Casey! I think it`s great! Sure he`s not the best ou there, but so what! He did a great job for us this last year. Big names do not mean big numbers or big years, look at the Yankees! Casey is a perfect fit for the Tigers!!!

]]> By: Adam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27260 Adam Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:41:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27260 Casey stealing bases? Triples? I'll believe it when I see it. Casey stealing bases? Triples? I’ll believe it when I see it.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27255 Kurt Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:33:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/11/sean-casey-signed/#comment-27255 The name on the back and the person in the uniform is infinitely more important than some number. I don't even begin to understand, I guess. I know there's symbolism, but really, I don't get it. The name on the back and the person in the uniform is infinitely more important than some number. I don’t even begin to understand, I guess. I know there’s symbolism, but really, I don’t get it.

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