Comments on: World Series Game 4: Aftermath http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:21:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22810 T Smith Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:33:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22810 Ah, yes. There is a lot of entusiasm in the late afternoon blog. I like it. The fans are coming around. I can see an invisible, ubiquitous pepper being waved under the collective nose of the Tiger fan base; the fans are rousing from the seeming "knockout" punch delivered last night. Is it unbridled enthusiasm? Cool, collected, and with objectivity, I say no. The sentiments expressed above are not the whimsical longings of unrealistic, die hard fans. The Tigers CAN win this series. That said, they can win if they can manage to accomplish one small thing (or seemingly small thing): score early on Weaver in game 5, pad the lead, and hold the lead. Now I ask you: how confidant would you be saying the Tigers could pull this off on any given regular season game going against a ".500 team"? (let's face it, the Cards are no powerhouse). I would say the odds are pretty good. If the Tigers can win this game, we have an entirely different series. We have accomplished a number of things. The most obvious being, the series moves to a 3-2 margin going into Detroit. Less obvious to some who don't have a true feel for the game is the fact that the Tigers would have convincingly turned the tide. The demoralizing loss of game 4 (the nadir point for the Tigers in this series--for so many reasons) is negated with a victory. The Tigers, essentially, beat themselves last night. That's perhaps the worst sting in the loss last night. Turning the tide on those set of circumstances is no small occasion. Elation, momentum, and renewed hope suddenly propel the team to a Kenny Rogers game 6 at Comerica. Not only does the pitching matchup strongly favor the Tigers, the pitching matchup under those unique circumstances, both for the team, the pitcher, and the fans (de ja vu Game 3 ALDS), renders Cy Rogers virtually unhittable in Game 6. Suddenly, we have a 3-3 series, with a game 7 decider on the horizon. May the best team win. Game 7 then becomes the true test game for the Tigers. They will face Carpenter, away from Busch, and with serious momentum. Tough test, and not a give me...but nonetheless...edge, Tigers. Of course, I'm getting ahead of myself. This scenario is very plausable, in fact, very likely, if only the first set of circumstances play out tonight. The Tigers must win tonight. That said, will the Tigers win tonight? I certainly hope so. I won't say they will win tonight with the same certitude as the picture I postulate above IF the Tigers win. But I will say, with conviction, that it is not "unbridled enthusium" behind any perdiction that calls for a Tiger victory tonight. And so, by default, it certainly cannot be unbridled enthusium to call for a Tigers world series victory, as well. So here it is: Tigers in Seven Ah, yes. There is a lot of entusiasm in the late afternoon blog. I like it. The fans are coming around. I can see an invisible, ubiquitous pepper being waved under the collective nose of the Tiger fan base; the fans are rousing from the seeming “knockout” punch delivered last night.

Is it unbridled enthusiasm?

Cool, collected, and with objectivity, I say no. The sentiments expressed above are not the whimsical longings of unrealistic, die hard fans. The Tigers CAN win this series. That said, they can win if they can manage to accomplish one small thing (or seemingly small thing): score early on Weaver in game 5, pad the lead, and hold the lead.

Now I ask you: how confidant would you be saying the Tigers could pull this off on any given regular season game going against a “.500 team”? (let’s face it, the Cards are no powerhouse). I would say the odds are pretty good.

If the Tigers can win this game, we have an entirely different series. We have accomplished a number of things. The most obvious being, the series moves to a 3-2 margin going into Detroit. Less obvious to some who don’t have a true feel for the game is the fact that the Tigers would have convincingly turned the tide. The demoralizing loss of game 4 (the nadir point for the Tigers in this series–for so many reasons) is negated with a victory. The Tigers, essentially, beat themselves last night. That’s perhaps the worst sting in the loss last night. Turning the tide on those set of circumstances is no small occasion. Elation, momentum, and renewed hope suddenly propel the team to a Kenny Rogers game 6 at Comerica. Not only does the pitching matchup strongly favor the Tigers, the pitching matchup under those unique circumstances, both for the team, the pitcher, and the fans (de ja vu Game 3 ALDS), renders Cy Rogers virtually unhittable in Game 6. Suddenly, we have a 3-3 series, with a game 7 decider on the horizon.

May the best team win. Game 7 then becomes the true test game for the Tigers. They will face Carpenter, away from Busch, and with serious momentum. Tough test, and not a give me…but nonetheless…edge, Tigers.

Of course, I’m getting ahead of myself. This scenario is very plausable, in fact, very likely, if only the first set of circumstances play out tonight. The Tigers must win tonight.

That said, will the Tigers win tonight? I certainly hope so. I won’t say they will win tonight with the same certitude as the picture I postulate above IF the Tigers win. But I will say, with conviction, that it is not “unbridled enthusium” behind any perdiction that calls for a Tiger victory tonight. And so, by default, it certainly cannot be unbridled enthusium to call for a Tigers world series victory, as well.

So here it is:

Tigers in Seven

]]> By: Joey C. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22803 Joey C. Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:50:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22803 For chrissakes can we please move Monroe out of the 2 hole? I just don't understand what the hell Leyland is thinking some times. For chrissakes can we please move Monroe out of the 2 hole? I just don’t understand what the hell Leyland is thinking some times.

]]> By: Bix http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22800 Bix Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:34:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22800 Tonight's lineups (ESPN news) -- Det: Granderson Monroe Guillen Ordonez Casey Pudge Polanco Inge Verlander StL: Eckstein Duncan Pujols Edmonds Rolen Belliard Molina Taguchi Weaver Tonight’s lineups (ESPN news) –

Det:
Granderson
Monroe
Guillen
Ordonez
Casey
Pudge
Polanco
Inge
Verlander

StL:
Eckstein
Duncan
Pujols
Edmonds
Rolen
Belliard
Molina
Taguchi
Weaver

]]> By: Mike http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22798 Mike Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:17:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22798 Milt would give us seven solid, but vanilla innings no matter what the weather. The fourth inning will be the key for Verlander tonight. BTW, the rain has ended in St. Louis Milt would give us seven solid, but vanilla innings no matter what the weather.

The fourth inning will be the key for Verlander tonight.

BTW, the rain has ended in St. Louis

]]> By: Bix http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22795 Bix Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:47:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22795 I was always a Chet and Milt Wilcox fan...have become an even bigger Milt fan now that he's a dockdogs participant :) I'll be wearing the Chet jersey tonight, hopefully it brings us more luck than it did in game 1 :) I was always a Chet and Milt Wilcox fan…have become an even bigger Milt fan now that he’s a dockdogs participant :)

I’ll be wearing the Chet jersey tonight, hopefully it brings us more luck than it did in game 1 :)

]]> By: Andrew http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22791 Andrew Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:19:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22791 Wow, its nice to see the unbridled enthusiasm here today. Even if it is alcohol induced ;). Good point about the Millar quote. Love it! That gets me pumped up to watch the game tonight. I would love to see MLB all tensed up about having to play in snow in Detroit tomorrow night. Go Tigers! Wow, its nice to see the unbridled enthusiasm here today. Even if it is alcohol induced ;) .

Good point about the Millar quote. Love it! That gets me pumped up to watch the game tonight.

I would love to see MLB all tensed up about having to play in snow in Detroit tomorrow night.

Go Tigers!

]]> By: Joey the K http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22790 Joey the K Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:18:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22790 SInce we're talking baseball and beer, I find a drink more during losses than wins, go figure. I had to go get a half rack of Rolling Rock afters last nights game! SInce we’re talking baseball and beer, I find a drink more during losses than wins, go figure. I had to go get a half rack of Rolling Rock afters last nights game!

]]> By: Mike http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22787 Mike Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:04:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22787 It will be interesting to see how MLB handles the weather in Detroit tomorrow evening: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecast/MapClick.php?site=DTX&map.x=211&map.y=199 That would be a home field advantage. Could the weather be the reason why MLB and FOX are so cranky with Detroit? Chet Lemon rocks! Where is Dave Rozema when you need him? It will be interesting to see how MLB handles the weather in Detroit tomorrow evening: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/foreca.....;map.y=199

That would be a home field advantage. Could the weather be the reason why MLB and FOX are so cranky with Detroit?

Chet Lemon rocks! Where is Dave Rozema when you need him?

]]> By: Pete http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22786 Pete Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:55:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22786 For whatever this is worth, I think the Tigers will win this series. I think Verlander will pitch a little better tonight and we will score runs off of Weaver. If we can get this thing back to Detroit, I think Rogers wins Game 6 and the momentum and home field advantage carry us to victory in Game 7. (I should also mention that I am insane and do not know diddly-poo about baseball and that my predictions in the three Tigers' postseason series before each series started were: Yankees over Tigers in 3, then A's over Tigers in 7, and then Tigers over Cardinals in 5, so clearly I do not know what the hell I'm talking about.) Last night's game was really rough to watch, and I agree with everything that has been said about it. But I am not giving up on this team. Not now. Not until out number 27. Go Tiges! For whatever this is worth, I think the Tigers will win this series. I think Verlander will pitch a little better tonight and we will score runs off of Weaver. If we can get this thing back to Detroit, I think Rogers wins Game 6 and the momentum and home field advantage carry us to victory in Game 7. (I should also mention that I am insane and do not know diddly-poo about baseball and that my predictions in the three Tigers’ postseason series before each series started were: Yankees over Tigers in 3, then A’s over Tigers in 7, and then Tigers over Cardinals in 5, so clearly I do not know what the hell I’m talking about.)

Last night’s game was really rough to watch, and I agree with everything that has been said about it. But I am not giving up on this team. Not now. Not until out number 27. Go Tiges!

]]> By: Ken from Cincinnati http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22783 Ken from Cincinnati Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:46:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22783 My tiger is Justin Verlander.....because he's about to keep our hopes alive. And my beer is Sam Adams....because it's about to keep my hopes alive... My tiger is Justin Verlander…..because he’s about to keep our hopes alive. And my beer is Sam Adams….because it’s about to keep my hopes alive…

]]> By: Bix http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22781 Bix Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:34:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22781 Without rehashing all the great comments today, I agree with most of them. And T., I remember that Millar quote too. Let's get it done tonight, and go home. Then -- Jake Taylor: Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do. Roger Dorn: What's that? Jake Taylor: Win the whole f***ing thing. The media wants the Tigers to quit. I don't think they will. The Cards think they're now the team of destiny (can you blame them?), but I think Verlander comes out tonight and has a career-defining performance that he carries with him for the next several years. If there's ANYTHING left in his tank, how could he not call on it tonight? You want to be The Guy? Here's your chance. Then we worry about games 6 & 7. As for the alcohol -- today happened to be "Halloween Dress-up Day" at the local "hot waitress" sports bar...so that's already under control. Go Tigers! My Tiger is whoever comes up big tonight. Or Chet Lemon. Without rehashing all the great comments today, I agree with most of them. And T., I remember that Millar quote too. Let’s get it done tonight, and go home. Then –

Jake Taylor: Well then I guess there’s only one thing left to do.
Roger Dorn: What’s that?
Jake Taylor: Win the whole f***ing thing.

The media wants the Tigers to quit. I don’t think they will. The Cards think they’re now the team of destiny (can you blame them?), but I think Verlander comes out tonight and has a career-defining performance that he carries with him for the next several years. If there’s ANYTHING left in his tank, how could he not call on it tonight? You want to be The Guy? Here’s your chance. Then we worry about games 6 & 7.

As for the alcohol — today happened to be “Halloween Dress-up Day” at the local “hot waitress” sports bar…so that’s already under control.

Go Tigers!
My Tiger is whoever comes up big tonight. Or Chet Lemon.

]]> By: NR http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22773 NR Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:59:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22773 T.- I think we're all there with you. I have a 6:30 date with my buddy Labatt Blue. T.- I think we’re all there with you. I have a 6:30 date with my buddy Labatt Blue.

]]> By: T. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22770 T. Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:51:15 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22770 Do you guys remember the quote from Kevin Millar when he was wearing a mic while warming up for game 4 of the Yankees series. He said something to the effect of, "they better not let us win tonight, because then we have schill and pedro, and then anything can happen in game 7." I feel the same way about the Tigers tonight. If the Cards want to win this series they better do it tonight, because after tonight we have Kenny at home and then anything can happen in game 7. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to start drinking. Do you guys remember the quote from Kevin Millar when he was wearing a mic while warming up for game 4 of the Yankees series. He said something to the effect of, “they better not let us win tonight, because then we have schill and pedro, and then anything can happen in game 7.” I feel the same way about the Tigers tonight. If the Cards want to win this series they better do it tonight, because after tonight we have Kenny at home and then anything can happen in game 7. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to start drinking.

]]> By: Walter http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22769 Walter Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:46:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22769 Bill, as usual your site does the best job of any blogger today because you lay out all sides of the story for everybody to see. I sincerely hope Verlander is not as tired as everyone seems to think he is. He has awesome stuff when he's on. Also, the Tigers' bats are awake again and Detroit could have a big night against Weaver. Just take it back to Motown and get it done there. Detroit Tigers Weblog and Tiger Tales are together on our main page today. Best of luck tonight, Walter Roark (editor) http://www.baseballnooz.com/ (All baseball, all the time--over 230 blog feeds + news sources) Bill, as usual your site does the best job of any blogger today because you lay out all sides of the story for everybody to see. I sincerely hope Verlander is not as tired as everyone seems to think he is. He has awesome stuff when he’s on. Also, the Tigers’ bats are awake again and Detroit could have a big night against Weaver. Just take it back to Motown and get it done there.

Detroit Tigers Weblog and Tiger Tales are together on our main page today.

Best of luck tonight,
Walter Roark (editor)
http://www.baseballnooz.com/
(All baseball, all the time–over
230 blog feeds + news sources)

]]> By: Joey the K http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22764 Joey the K Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:26:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-4-aftermath/#comment-22764 Losing stinks, giving games away hurts. Dave I was thinking the same thing about them not showing Sparky or Tram throw out the first pitch in Detroit! Ok, we pound Weaver tonight, ride the Kenny train on saturday and go for it all in Game 7! Losing stinks, giving games away hurts.

Dave I was thinking the same thing about them not showing Sparky or Tram throw out the first pitch in Detroit!

Ok, we pound Weaver tonight, ride the Kenny train on saturday and go for it all in Game 7!

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