World Series Game 3: Tigers at Cardinals

PREGAME: The series shifts to St. Louis and the new Busch stadium. Busch has played as slightly more of a pitchers park than Comerica Park has. The pitching match-up will be Nate Robertson against Chris Carpenter.

The Tigers faced Carpenter once this year and jumped on him for 9 hits, 6 for extra bases, and scored 7 runs over 7 innings. It was an interesting line for Carpenter in that he also fanned 9 Tigers hitters and walked none.

In terms of individual match-ups, most of the Tigers have decent career numbers against Carpenter. Pudge Rodriguez has a 970 OPS over 26 at-bats against Carpenter. Given that Pudge is 0-fer a long time, this help get him on track.

Carpenter has been much better at home this year with a 1.82 ERA and only 7 homers allowed over 124 innings. He is brutal on right handers with a 571 OPS against. Left handers do substantially better, but still not good, with a 727 OPS but that’s kind of what makes Carpenter the staff ace.

Nate Robertson has limited experience against the Cardinals lineup. Ronnie Belliard has a pretty good track record and is 8 for 25. Preston Wilson though has 5 at-bats, and 5 hits off of Robertson. And with Wilson slotted right in front of Albert Pujols, there’s not pitching around him.

Detroit Lineup

CF- Granderson
LF – Monroe
2B – Polanco
RF – Ordonez
SS – Guillen
C – Rodriguez
1B- Casey
3B – Inge
P- Robertson

Carlos Guillen’s efforts are largely going to waste with Rodriguez failing to generate any offense. If he doesn’t do something this game, against a pitcher he’s had success against, he’s got to be moved down in the order.

St. Louis Lineup

SS- Eckstein
LF – Wilson
1B- Pujols
3B- Rolen
2B- Belliard
CF- Edmonds
C- Molina
RF – Taguchi
P – Carpenter

I give credit to La Russa for sandwiching Pujols with the 2 hitters who have had a solid track record against Robertson.

Game Time 8:30ish, or about 10 minutes after you think you can’t possibly take any more Zelasko.


  1. NR

    October 24, 2006 at 8:22 pm

    Wow. I thought Girardi was gonna walk out after the third time she asked him if he’d gotten a phone call.

  2. Charly Streetgang

    October 24, 2006 at 8:25 pm

    I’m having a wave of euphoric disbelief right now. They come in waves. I can’t believe I’m watching Tigers/Cards game 3 WS. Go Tigers!!!!!

  3. Alan

    October 24, 2006 at 8:55 pm

    Boy Carpenter is throwing hot stuff. Let’s hope this is a pitcher’s duel and Nate can hold up.

  4. Jeff

    October 24, 2006 at 8:57 pm

    Doesn’t help that the Tigers are swinging away like mad. I don’t mind Maggs’ first-pitch swing, that was a good pitch to hit. But what was Pudge doing?

  5. Mark in SF

    October 24, 2006 at 8:58 pm

    It’s been pretty painful watching FOX broadcast these games, but I have to admit that the piece on left-handed pitchers who wear glasses was pretty funny.

  6. Paul

    October 24, 2006 at 9:02 pm

    Nate looks very good so far, the fortnight off has made him sharp.

  7. billfer

    October 24, 2006 at 9:07 pm

    Nate got screwed on the 1-2 pitch to Edmonds. That was right down the middle and yet called a ball. It turned a 12 pitch inning into a 24 pitch inning

  8. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 9:09 pm

    Nice, an Inge single.

  9. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 9:14 pm

    Granderson~~~~ Swinging on two balls, no strikes…at least take one…

  10. NR

    October 24, 2006 at 9:22 pm

    How about some hits this inning….

  11. Darrin

    October 24, 2006 at 9:24 pm

    Why are Tiger fans obsessed with umpiring? Any time there is a borderline pitch called against the Tigers it always seems to merit a mention.

    When the Tigers lost game 1 to the Yankees there were literally a dozen rants against pitch calls against Jeter. Even in games the Tigers WIN there are rants against umpiring.

    Yet, strangely, when the Tigers get the benefit of borderline calls (and, yes, there have been) not a peep is heard.

    I realize I’m nitpicking, but it’s my biggest pet peeve: only losers blame bad umpiring.

  12. billfer

    October 24, 2006 at 9:27 pm

    Darrin –

    I haven’t blamed a loss on bad umpiring. I also don’t tend to make a big deal about borderline calls. That pitch was dead center.

    And all fans complain about umpiring.

  13. Mike

    October 24, 2006 at 9:28 pm

    This is a big inning coming up(Bottom 4th): The heart of the order and the second time Robertson has faced them.

  14. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 9:33 pm

    This inning isn’t looking good…

  15. NR

    October 24, 2006 at 9:41 pm

    This is a very frustrating inning. Nate’s so tough normally, hopefully he can get out of this.

  16. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 9:44 pm

    Lucky to escape that with just 2 on the board…

  17. Steve

    October 24, 2006 at 9:48 pm

    OK this could have been a forest fire but ended up being a campfire, lets get these runs right back.

    Darrin, Love the fact that your a Yankee fan in Mich. I am a Tiger fan in Upstate NY in the land of Yankee, and yes we Tiger fans call’m like we see them, he was hosed and it was properly pointed as a hose job. As far as being losers I think thats kinda of harsh MR.
    It is a Tiger site so we will remain biased to our team. Your team is golfing and we did not call them losers. If you keep this up we will trade you Neifi Perez for A-Rod

  18. Steve

    October 24, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    We Need Runs

  19. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    OK, our hitters look lost in the wilderness…

    By the way the Nippon Ham Fighters are up 2-1 in the series against the Chuunichi Dragons in Japan’s Championship series…the Ham Fighters have an American coach (Trey Hillman), which makes it a little interesting.

  20. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 10:14 pm

    Granderson is back in Mr. Strikeout mode…

  21. Mark in SF

    October 24, 2006 at 10:28 pm

    Zumaya’s breaking ball on Taguchi was wicked. I’m not sure I’ve seen a ball break that much from him all season. If that’s a taste of his future, I’m excited.

  22. Steve

    October 24, 2006 at 10:29 pm

    How about a run or two. We look like we just saw the Boogie man, Lets go

  23. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 10:32 pm

    Time to get something started…lucky 7!

  24. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 10:40 pm

    This sucks especially that we are only down two…

  25. NR

    October 24, 2006 at 10:42 pm

    Darrin, there’s some great Cards sites out there if you want to post. Check out vivaelbirdos.

  26. DCD

    October 24, 2006 at 10:48 pm

    Darrin got OWNED

  27. DCD

    October 24, 2006 at 10:48 pm


  28. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 10:51 pm

    Well, no matter what happens in the series, our young guys can take a lot from this experience…

  29. Mark in SF

    October 24, 2006 at 10:51 pm

    Man, that Zumaya throw felt like a kick in the gut.

  30. Mark in SF

    October 24, 2006 at 10:54 pm

    The only thing worse than Zumaya’s throw is McCarver, who won’t shut up about how he should have thrown to second. The ball was hit so hard, I think it was actually a pretty smart idea to go 1-5-3. Perhaps it wasn’t a good idea in retrospect, but it certainly wasn’t a stupid idea. I’m tuning into WXYT and muting the television. I can’t handle it anymore.

  31. billfer

    October 24, 2006 at 11:00 pm

    Guys – easy on Darrin. He’s been around throughout the playoffs. It’s all good.

  32. Walewander

    October 24, 2006 at 11:01 pm

    No fun at all.

  33. billfer

    October 24, 2006 at 11:08 pm

    Well, the nice thing about the double play is that Leyland doesn’t have to bring in Rodney now.

  34. Chris Y.

    October 24, 2006 at 11:11 pm

    Mark: Phenomenal idea. McCarver is a rough listen.

    Good start by Nate. Poor relief by Zumaya. Dead bats. Carpenter on his game. = tough loss.

    Hate to say it, but the week off looks to have killed Granderson and Pudge, who have been hot sine mid-September but can be streaky. Polanco is solid so I’m not sure what his problem is, maybe hoisting the ALCS MVP trophy a little too much.

    We got to relax and let the wood fly. Right now, we’re looking at fastballs down the heart and swinging at crap 10 inches off the plate.

    Bonderman tomorrow!

  35. Walewander

    October 24, 2006 at 11:11 pm


    And Neifi’s back!

  36. billfer

    October 24, 2006 at 11:11 pm

    Ummm, why is Rodney in? It’s a low leverage situation and Zumaya is already burned out for tomorrow night.

  37. Chris Y.

    October 24, 2006 at 11:15 pm

    Alright, McCarver is on my list. The guy’s got to let it go. Maybe he needs to recall ’68 a bit more. What a jacka**!!!

    Sorry Bilfer, but geez! Guess I need to take my own advice, the volume’s off!

  38. Chris Y.

    October 24, 2006 at 11:17 pm

    “Last time a guy colored a game with such useless info was 2005 when I called the World Series between the Houston Astros and the White Sox.”

  39. Jeff M

    October 24, 2006 at 11:19 pm

    Agreed on Mccarver. The fact that he went to third was not a problem. Even if they don’t turn two, he still gets the lead runner. And no, Polanco was no closer to the bag than Inge was. The only problem with the play was that he threw it behind Inge. If If he goes to second and throws it behind Polanco, the runners still get atleast one extra base.

    Besides, maybe he was going for the triple play? 🙂

  40. Jeff M

    October 24, 2006 at 11:21 pm

    Billfer, atleast we can take solace in the fact that Rodney didn’t use up any of his good pitches.

  41. Walewander

    October 24, 2006 at 11:23 pm

    Rodney’s still available tomorrow nite. I think Joel would be too.

  42. Chris Y.

    October 24, 2006 at 11:24 pm

    Tim McCarver, the Younger.

    Had to do it.

  43. Shawn in Tokyo

    October 24, 2006 at 11:24 pm

    More walks and Carpenter keeps getting a breather…

  44. Kyle J

    October 24, 2006 at 11:26 pm

    Prior to Miner entering the game, Tigers relievers had thrown 62 pitches. Only 27 were strikes. This has been very painful to watch.

  45. NR

    October 24, 2006 at 11:32 pm

    There’s no way that was Neifi over there at 3rd on that play. Jim Leyland must’ve called up Brooks Robinson or something. What a play!

  46. Anthony

    October 24, 2006 at 11:35 pm

    I’m kind of surprised that they have had such embarrassing at-bats, given that they’ve been really good in the playoffs. This looks like the Tigers of September. How on earth can you have that kind of gameplan at the plate in a World Series game?

    I don’t think the Cardinals are winning this series, the Tigs are losing it. If the Tigers from the A’s series showed up, this would be 3-0.

  47. Cameron in Singapore

    October 24, 2006 at 11:40 pm

    The Bad Tigers have returned…How can they be hitting so poorly? Is this August/September again?
    Oh my, how depressing. It’s been a great run, but man, if they don’t really turn things around with the bats, it’s going to be hard to get this thing back to Detroit.
    I still believe they can, but my confidence sure is wavering.

  48. Stephen

    October 24, 2006 at 11:41 pm

    not gonna win a lot of games when your 1-6 hitters go 0-20. embarassing.

  49. Steve

    October 24, 2006 at 11:41 pm

    Well Anthony while I would liek to agree with you, We stunk tonight NOBODY showed up.

    We need to turn it on quick, need the next 3 out of 4 I hope we can pull this off

  50. Brian A.

    October 24, 2006 at 11:42 pm

    same old tigers. it sometimes seems as if theplayers think they’ll get fined or something if they have an at bat longer than 3 pitches.

  51. Kyle J

    October 24, 2006 at 11:45 pm

    Quite a bit of pressure to win the next two games now. If St. Louis wins one of the two, LaRussa could save Carpenter for game 7, pitching on normal rest. Hard to believe the Tigers would have much of a chance after their performance against him tonight. Better to make LaRussa pitch Carpenter and Suppan on short rest in games 6 and 7.

    Here’s hoping Bonderman can put the team on his back tomorrow night . . .

  52. Joey C.

    October 24, 2006 at 11:45 pm

    The way this club is hitting right now, our pitchers need to be perfect. And the defensive lapses are killers.

  53. NR

    October 24, 2006 at 11:47 pm

    It’s ok. Bondo tomorrow. He’ll get em.

  54. Ryan S

    October 24, 2006 at 11:50 pm

    Our hitters seemed like they all had that deer-in-the-headlights look tonight. You’d think they’d be feeling good coming off the game 2 win? Man, they just looked confused. We need a little fire tomorrow!

  55. Adam

    October 24, 2006 at 11:58 pm

    You can almost look at this as the Yankees series. Before tonight it was essentially a best of five series. Nate Robertson loses game one, like he did at Yankee Stadium. Here, we get to see Bonderman, Verlander, and Rogers again if we do indeed win one of the next two games.

    Bonderman has been excellent, so I look for him against Suppan tomorrow to win. The Verlander game is versus Reyes again, and I think we’ll do plenty better against him this time around. Then, you have the Rogers game. And you can almost automatically say that’s a win…except you can’t. However, if we lose any of those games, God help us. If it comes to game 7, um. We’re done.

    All right – just want to tell you guys. I don’t see us winning this series. I hope we do, I just don’t think we will.

  56. NR

    October 25, 2006 at 12:13 am

    Bondo. Verlander. Rogers. Would you bet against those three in a row? I don’t think so. Suppan. Veres. Weaver. Would you bet against them? I hope so. They’ll be fine.

  57. Joey the K

    October 25, 2006 at 12:13 am

    Ok Carpenter ate us alive, hats off to him. We need to bring Suppan back to earth and have a seat next to Weaver. Joel your huge error didn’t really matter, forget it, shake it off, get em next time. Someone please wake up Polly and Pudge (and Grandy while youre at it)

    Never thought I’d say this, great play by Neifi.