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		<title>By: Dirty Carl Sports &#187; Blog Archive &#187; World Series Blogdome: Detroit at St. Louis, Game 3</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-3-aftermath/#comment-22541</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirty Carl Sports &#187; Blog Archive &#187; World Series Blogdome: Detroit at St. Louis, Game 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8226; The Detroit Tigers Weblog. It&#8217;s not so much the loss that is troubling. I actually expected Detroit to lose this game just based on the pitching match-up. It&#8217;s that once again they looked so incredibly bad in losing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8226; The Detroit Tigers Weblog. It&#8217;s not so much the loss that is troubling. I actually expected Detroit to lose this game just based on the pitching match-up. It&#8217;s that once again they looked so incredibly bad in losing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-3-aftermath/#comment-22203</link>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - 

Those are some good points, and when it comes to patience and discipline a couple things are at work.  

One thing is swinging at strikes versus swinging at pitches you can hit.  I think part of the Tigers problem isn't that they are swining at pitches out of the strike zone.  It's that they're going after pitches they can't do much with.  When you're down 2 strikes in the count you don't have a choice.  But early on you don't have to swing at the first strike you see.

Second, the problem becomes much exaggerated when they don't hit the pitches they're swining at well.  If they're getting hits on first pitch fastballs, nobody cares.  There's something to being aggressive with fastballs early in the count, but when the entire team isn't driving those balls on one night, you have a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt - </p>
<p>Those are some good points, and when it comes to patience and discipline a couple things are at work.  </p>
<p>One thing is swinging at strikes versus swinging at pitches you can hit.  I think part of the Tigers problem isn&#8217;t that they are swining at pitches out of the strike zone.  It&#8217;s that they&#8217;re going after pitches they can&#8217;t do much with.  When you&#8217;re down 2 strikes in the count you don&#8217;t have a choice.  But early on you don&#8217;t have to swing at the first strike you see.</p>
<p>Second, the problem becomes much exaggerated when they don&#8217;t hit the pitches they&#8217;re swining at well.  If they&#8217;re getting hits on first pitch fastballs, nobody cares.  There&#8217;s something to being aggressive with fastballs early in the count, but when the entire team isn&#8217;t driving those balls on one night, you have a disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt in Toledo</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-3-aftermath/#comment-22201</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt in Toledo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of discussion about Carpenter and the Cardinals throwing so few pitches. I did some digging, and I think this is more a credit to the Cardinals than a strike against the Tigers. 

The Tigers saw 91 pitches and only swung at 42. That doesn't sound too "hacky" to me, although I admittedly don't know what the usual percentage is. 

The Tigers' batters swung at only 6 of the 29 first pitches they saw. Of the 23 they took, 14 were balls, so Carpenter was trying to get them to bite on first pitches out of the zone, but they weren't going for them for the most part. 

The Tigers' batters swung and missed only 7 times all night, and 6 of those were strike three pitches. That's understandable since if you kind of have to swing at close pitches with two strikes against you. (I know; at least a couple of those third strike pitches weren't strikes)

I think the Tigers' bigger problem is that they have trouble identifying hittable pitches. Consider that of the 49 pitches they watched, 20 were called strikes. I'd love to see those 20 pitches compared to the 42 they swung at. My guess is that Tiger batters go up there thinking they're going to work the count in such and such a way, and end up being mechanical and predictable as far as what pitches they swing at, and what pitches they don't. In other words, they're trying to be patient for patience sake, rather than being patient in order to make sure they're swinging at the pitches they can do the most damage with.

Of course, Carpenter had a lot to do with this since he seemed to be making his pitches almost all night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of discussion about Carpenter and the Cardinals throwing so few pitches. I did some digging, and I think this is more a credit to the Cardinals than a strike against the Tigers. </p>
<p>The Tigers saw 91 pitches and only swung at 42. That doesn&#8217;t sound too &#8220;hacky&#8221; to me, although I admittedly don&#8217;t know what the usual percentage is. </p>
<p>The Tigers&#8217; batters swung at only 6 of the 29 first pitches they saw. Of the 23 they took, 14 were balls, so Carpenter was trying to get them to bite on first pitches out of the zone, but they weren&#8217;t going for them for the most part. </p>
<p>The Tigers&#8217; batters swung and missed only 7 times all night, and 6 of those were strike three pitches. That&#8217;s understandable since if you kind of have to swing at close pitches with two strikes against you. (I know; at least a couple of those third strike pitches weren&#8217;t strikes)</p>
<p>I think the Tigers&#8217; bigger problem is that they have trouble identifying hittable pitches. Consider that of the 49 pitches they watched, 20 were called strikes. I&#8217;d love to see those 20 pitches compared to the 42 they swung at. My guess is that Tiger batters go up there thinking they&#8217;re going to work the count in such and such a way, and end up being mechanical and predictable as far as what pitches they swing at, and what pitches they don&#8217;t. In other words, they&#8217;re trying to be patient for patience sake, rather than being patient in order to make sure they&#8217;re swinging at the pitches they can do the most damage with.</p>
<p>Of course, Carpenter had a lot to do with this since he seemed to be making his pitches almost all night.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobber</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-3-aftermath/#comment-22200</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's too bad Zumaya misfired his throw to Inge. I think it's the type of gutsy move that we see almost never, and obviously the outcome of this one won't enhance the probability of seeing it again.

I have to wonder if, when Zumaya lined up third base in his sights, he surprised Inge to the point that it threw his own timing off enough in the execution to bring disaster.

I've seen that happen before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too bad Zumaya misfired his throw to Inge. I think it&#8217;s the type of gutsy move that we see almost never, and obviously the outcome of this one won&#8217;t enhance the probability of seeing it again.</p>
<p>I have to wonder if, when Zumaya lined up third base in his sights, he surprised Inge to the point that it threw his own timing off enough in the execution to bring disaster.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen that happen before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan S</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/world-series-game-3-aftermath/#comment-22197</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more positive to take from last night's game: Leyland finally figured out the proper way to use Neifi.  Late inning defensive replacement, then immediately pinch hit for.  

Better late than never...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more positive to take from last night&#8217;s game: Leyland finally figured out the proper way to use Neifi.  Late inning defensive replacement, then immediately pinch hit for.  </p>
<p>Better late than never&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Aftermath: Game 3 &#171; Baseball By Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Aftermath: Game 3 &#171; Baseball By Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Per Billfer at DTW , no batter reached a three-ball count all night. That is downright vomit-inducing. The lack of discipline led to a whopping one runner in scoring position all evening. Overall, despite some very predictable pitch-calling by Carpenter and Yadier Molina, the Tigers remained lost. That isn&#8217;t to take anything from Carpenter. Predictable or not, filth is filth and will fool major league hitters regardless. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Per Billfer at DTW , no batter reached a three-ball count all night. That is downright vomit-inducing. The lack of discipline led to a whopping one runner in scoring position all evening. Overall, despite some very predictable pitch-calling by Carpenter and Yadier Molina, the Tigers remained lost. That isn&#8217;t to take anything from Carpenter. Predictable or not, filth is filth and will fool major league hitters regardless. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tigers led the league this year (during the regular season) in games they won while scoring 3 runs or less.  

The problem with that stat in this World Series is twofold - 

1.  Our offense generated &lt;b&gt;2 runs&lt;/b&gt; in Game 1, &lt;b&gt;3 runs&lt;/b&gt; in Game 2, and &lt;b&gt;0 Runs&lt;/b&gt; in Game 3.

2.  Our Pitching gave up 7 runs in the Game 1 loss and 5 runs last night.

Can you imagine if Todd Jones had not pulled out the save in Game 2 with the bases jammed?  Wow.  It would all be over but the crying right about now.

Current MVP of the series for the Tigers? 

Co-MVP Award goes to Rogers &#38; Jones.  

Yikes.  We need some offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tigers led the league this year (during the regular season) in games they won while scoring 3 runs or less.  </p>
<p>The problem with that stat in this World Series is twofold - </p>
<p>1.  Our offense generated <b>2 runs</b> in Game 1, <b>3 runs</b> in Game 2, and <b>0 Runs</b> in Game 3.</p>
<p>2.  Our Pitching gave up 7 runs in the Game 1 loss and 5 runs last night.</p>
<p>Can you imagine if Todd Jones had not pulled out the save in Game 2 with the bases jammed?  Wow.  It would all be over but the crying right about now.</p>
<p>Current MVP of the series for the Tigers? </p>
<p>Co-MVP Award goes to Rogers &amp; Jones.  </p>
<p>Yikes.  We need some offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only real comfort at this point is that the Cardinals haven't exactly been hitting the cover off the ball, either.

Tigers through three games: .185/.227/.293
Cardinals through three games: .196/.304/.320

If Bonderman comes out throwing strikes tonight (or tomorrow night), I think the game will swing to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only real comfort at this point is that the Cardinals haven&#8217;t exactly been hitting the cover off the ball, either.</p>
<p>Tigers through three games: .185/.227/.293<br />
Cardinals through three games: .196/.304/.320</p>
<p>If Bonderman comes out throwing strikes tonight (or tomorrow night), I think the game will swing to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charly I think you're prediction is crazy...but I like it!

This Tiger offense has been ridiculously streaky all year and they hit rough patches that lasted well longer than 7 games.  So I'm pretty concerned with what I'm seeing.  The one game we did win was due to another Kenny masterpiece as our offense failed to knock in a ton of men on base.  Were our bats going well we would've scored at least six runs in game 2.

I was really hoping the Tigers would come in and keep the pedal down, because the Cards arms were tired coming in on the heels of a 7 game series.  Instead, we've hardly even seen their bullpen.  We need to make their pitchers work a little, and we certainly didn't come close to doing that last night.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to tonight's 11 run outburst.

Go Tigers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charly I think you&#8217;re prediction is crazy&#8230;but I like it!</p>
<p>This Tiger offense has been ridiculously streaky all year and they hit rough patches that lasted well longer than 7 games.  So I&#8217;m pretty concerned with what I&#8217;m seeing.  The one game we did win was due to another Kenny masterpiece as our offense failed to knock in a ton of men on base.  Were our bats going well we would&#8217;ve scored at least six runs in game 2.</p>
<p>I was really hoping the Tigers would come in and keep the pedal down, because the Cards arms were tired coming in on the heels of a 7 game series.  Instead, we&#8217;ve hardly even seen their bullpen.  We need to make their pitchers work a little, and we certainly didn&#8217;t come close to doing that last night.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m looking forward to tonight&#8217;s 11 run outburst.</p>
<p>Go Tigers!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weather doesn't look promising for tonight.  If the game is delayed until tomorrow night, I assume there would be no travel day and games 6 and 7 would be Saturday/Sunday?  In that case, Suppan wouldn't be able to pitch twice in the series--only two days of rest between games 4 and 7.

http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/cutoffman/index.ssf?/mtlogs/mlive_cutoffman/archives/2006_10.html#198104</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weather doesn&#8217;t look promising for tonight.  If the game is delayed until tomorrow night, I assume there would be no travel day and games 6 and 7 would be Saturday/Sunday?  In that case, Suppan wouldn&#8217;t be able to pitch twice in the series&#8211;only two days of rest between games 4 and 7.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/cutoffman/index.ssf?/mtlogs/mlive_cutoffman/archives/2006_10.html#198104" rel="nofollow">http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/c.....tml#198104</a></p>
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