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		<title>By: Charly Streetgang II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charly Streetgang II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 04:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remeber yahoo  reporting this summer that Luis Gonzales was complaining quite a bit when he started lossing innings. I&#039;m not sure that dude would want to platoon and maybe he&#039;s not such a class act after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remeber yahoo  reporting this summer that Luis Gonzales was complaining quite a bit when he started lossing innings. I&#8217;m not sure that dude would want to platoon and maybe he&#8217;s not such a class act after all.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/moving-on/#comment-25762</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, I missed the entire section on it:)</description>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/moving-on/#comment-25757</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, what are your thoughts on the Sheffield trade?</description>
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		<title>By: Marshall in DC</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/moving-on/#comment-24351</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall in DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t want Bonds . . .I love his numers but whatever team takes him has to figure he will break Aaron&#039;s mark in their uniform. That will be a huge distraction and it will be accompanied by negative response (thrown siringes anyone?) from most americans who see him as a cheater. Too bad he didn&#039;t pass the mark this year, if he had - I&#039;d actually feel better about aquiring him.

As for moving a pitcher in a trade. I think the Tigers should move at least one.

We almost have too much talent in one area. After the top 4 we have Sanchez out of Toledo, Miller who I think will benefit greatly from a full spring training with the team, Travis Miner who pitched pretty well mid-season and is serviceable and, lest we forget, Mike Maroth who, if he can use the off-season to capture his previous form.

I agree that you can&#039;t have too much good pitching, but we need 1 or 2 better hitters. Even if it means giving up a starter from the mound. 

Who I would trade and who I would go after - I&#039;m not sure yet. However - I trust Dave Dombrowski will figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want Bonds . . .I love his numers but whatever team takes him has to figure he will break Aaron&#8217;s mark in their uniform. That will be a huge distraction and it will be accompanied by negative response (thrown siringes anyone?) from most americans who see him as a cheater. Too bad he didn&#8217;t pass the mark this year, if he had &#8211; I&#8217;d actually feel better about aquiring him.</p>
<p>As for moving a pitcher in a trade. I think the Tigers should move at least one.</p>
<p>We almost have too much talent in one area. After the top 4 we have Sanchez out of Toledo, Miller who I think will benefit greatly from a full spring training with the team, Travis Miner who pitched pretty well mid-season and is serviceable and, lest we forget, Mike Maroth who, if he can use the off-season to capture his previous form.</p>
<p>I agree that you can&#8217;t have too much good pitching, but we need 1 or 2 better hitters. Even if it means giving up a starter from the mound. </p>
<p>Who I would trade and who I would go after &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure yet. However &#8211; I trust Dave Dombrowski will figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/moving-on/#comment-24167</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was true this year, but over the last three years it hasn&#039;t been the case.  There is only a difference of about 1.5 per 100 Ab&#039;s the last three years, and that includes this years major split.  And in &#039;03 he had the exact opposite split.

Gonzo wouldn&#039;t be a bad addition as a platoon guy, but he declined quite a bit last year, and excepting him to be more than an average hitter as a full time player is probably asking to much.  Finding a solid LH bat to platoon with Monroe and Thames (and spell Ordonez as well) isn&#039;t a bad idea, especially if it frees up more money to make a significant upgrade at 1B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was true this year, but over the last three years it hasn&#8217;t been the case.  There is only a difference of about 1.5 per 100 Ab&#8217;s the last three years, and that includes this years major split.  And in &#8217;03 he had the exact opposite split.</p>
<p>Gonzo wouldn&#8217;t be a bad addition as a platoon guy, but he declined quite a bit last year, and excepting him to be more than an average hitter as a full time player is probably asking to much.  Finding a solid LH bat to platoon with Monroe and Thames (and spell Ordonez as well) isn&#8217;t a bad idea, especially if it frees up more money to make a significant upgrade at 1B.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob S.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/moving-on/#comment-24132</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d been thinking along the same lines of platooning Monroe,only with Luis Gonzales,who still hits RHP pretty well,is widely regarded as a &quot;good&quot; guy/team leader type of player,and probably could be had at a reasonable price at this stage of his career.Then,looking at Monroe&#039;s split stats,saw in print what I realized I already knew(from watching the big home runs he&#039;s hit this year),that Monroe has ridiculous home run power facing RHP compared to LHP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d been thinking along the same lines of platooning Monroe,only with Luis Gonzales,who still hits RHP pretty well,is widely regarded as a &#8220;good&#8221; guy/team leader type of player,and probably could be had at a reasonable price at this stage of his career.Then,looking at Monroe&#8217;s split stats,saw in print what I realized I already knew(from watching the big home runs he&#8217;s hit this year),that Monroe has ridiculous home run power facing RHP compared to LHP.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARod had a bad year defensively, but he isn&#039;t far removed from a gold glove year at 3B.  I&#039;m not really sure why he couldn&#039;t move back to SS either, I haven&#039;t really seen any physical decline that would make the move impossible, and lets not forget that he was a gold glove SS as well.

Cat would be an excellent choice as a platoon option with Monroe (assuming we keep him, he&#039;s not worth what he&#039;ll get in aribtration but there might not be any better options) and Thames.  

Casey at 4 million per year is still a terrible choice.  I guess I don&#039;t get why people like Casey as a baseball player.  As a person, sure here aren&#039;t many baseball players that are more likeable.  But Casey is slow, has no power, and didn&#039;t even really hit for average last year.  And he&#039;s 32 and injury prone.  Other than a few months of familiarity, what is the benefit of keeping him?

I just saw billfer&#039;s most recent post.  I guess that last paragraph probably belogns there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARod had a bad year defensively, but he isn&#8217;t far removed from a gold glove year at 3B.  I&#8217;m not really sure why he couldn&#8217;t move back to SS either, I haven&#8217;t really seen any physical decline that would make the move impossible, and lets not forget that he was a gold glove SS as well.</p>
<p>Cat would be an excellent choice as a platoon option with Monroe (assuming we keep him, he&#8217;s not worth what he&#8217;ll get in aribtration but there might not be any better options) and Thames.  </p>
<p>Casey at 4 million per year is still a terrible choice.  I guess I don&#8217;t get why people like Casey as a baseball player.  As a person, sure here aren&#8217;t many baseball players that are more likeable.  But Casey is slow, has no power, and didn&#8217;t even really hit for average last year.  And he&#8217;s 32 and injury prone.  Other than a few months of familiarity, what is the benefit of keeping him?</p>
<p>I just saw billfer&#8217;s most recent post.  I guess that last paragraph probably belogns there.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get to see many Bluejay games a year and Frankie the Cat would be a decent add for the right price, seems like he is always on base and the fans really like the guy. His fielding is decent so that would give us OF options. 

I really want to know the deal with Thames. Leyland gave him the cold sholder during the series, is there something there that we dont know?. Could he be a goner?. 

I like Monroe and would love him if he were 25-30 more points in his average to get him to 300. His fielding has vastly improved and he is a great team guy and a professional when it comes to the game, approach and media.

With respect to Don Slaught, I for one can not say oneway or another if he is the man to have. I can say that between all of the new coaches and players added last year we won 90+ games, won the pennent, and I had one heck of a year watching and going to games with my nine year old. If they do that again (only win the WS) Neifi could be batting coach jk, for all I care 

My thoughts on who will be gone: Neifi, Thames, Santiago, Minor or Grilli, Casey. Gomez back to Minors. If they can get Jamie Walker for a decent price I would think he stays. They will spend bucks to upgrade these spots. While I love Casey and he did well here, I think we need a long term approach with a healthy body.

Is there any thought to moving Guillen to 1st and having infante play short?, could he get his bat turned around with more playing time. I saw a post about moving Inge to catcher, I say no way they guy is a near gold glove and one the way to hitting .286 next year. The cost to upgrade that position significantly and leave Inge on the bench could be better spent else where.

Kind if a bummer not having a Tiger game to hang with at night.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get to see many Bluejay games a year and Frankie the Cat would be a decent add for the right price, seems like he is always on base and the fans really like the guy. His fielding is decent so that would give us OF options. </p>
<p>I really want to know the deal with Thames. Leyland gave him the cold sholder during the series, is there something there that we dont know?. Could he be a goner?. </p>
<p>I like Monroe and would love him if he were 25-30 more points in his average to get him to 300. His fielding has vastly improved and he is a great team guy and a professional when it comes to the game, approach and media.</p>
<p>With respect to Don Slaught, I for one can not say oneway or another if he is the man to have. I can say that between all of the new coaches and players added last year we won 90+ games, won the pennent, and I had one heck of a year watching and going to games with my nine year old. If they do that again (only win the WS) Neifi could be batting coach jk, for all I care </p>
<p>My thoughts on who will be gone: Neifi, Thames, Santiago, Minor or Grilli, Casey. Gomez back to Minors. If they can get Jamie Walker for a decent price I would think he stays. They will spend bucks to upgrade these spots. While I love Casey and he did well here, I think we need a long term approach with a healthy body.</p>
<p>Is there any thought to moving Guillen to 1st and having infante play short?, could he get his bat turned around with more playing time. I saw a post about moving Inge to catcher, I say no way they guy is a near gold glove and one the way to hitting .286 next year. The cost to upgrade that position significantly and leave Inge on the bench could be better spent else where.</p>
<p>Kind if a bummer not having a Tiger game to hang with at night.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/moving-on/#comment-24003</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be the first to admit that I thought the signing of Kenny Rogers last year was a mistake.  On paper it seemed like we were getting an over-the-hill pitcher who had a history of problems.  It seemed to turn out pretty good, though.  So, I can&#039;t help but trust DD to make the best decision for the team when it comes to trading/signing players during the off season.

I am in favor of keeping as much of the talent currently in the system as possible.  If anything, I think minor tweaking is needed, along with a look toward the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be the first to admit that I thought the signing of Kenny Rogers last year was a mistake.  On paper it seemed like we were getting an over-the-hill pitcher who had a history of problems.  It seemed to turn out pretty good, though.  So, I can&#8217;t help but trust DD to make the best decision for the team when it comes to trading/signing players during the off season.</p>
<p>I am in favor of keeping as much of the talent currently in the system as possible.  If anything, I think minor tweaking is needed, along with a look toward the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with you Mark P. and was actually thinking about Catalanatto. He would be an excellent mid price bargain for the team.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the concesus is that Casey will not get offered anything near 8$mil/yr this time around.  I would say a 2-yr deal at about half that would be more than reasonable.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark P</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/moving-on/#comment-23986</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of the forumers who are perplexed by the sudden interest in the &quot;big&quot; names.  Often these big names do not work out for teams.  They take a huge hit on the payroll, lessen flexibility and often get injured.  As far as some of the names mentioned.  A-Rod is terrible defensively and can never be a SS again.  He might work out as an 1B, but we should not pay what the Yankees will demand.  Lee is really the only &quot;big&quot; name that is worth his price.  Though, why overpay when our outfield is already good. 

I also agree with the notion that we have to stick with what got us to where we are...young quality pitching.  Trading Bonderman is nuts.  He is one pitch away from being dominate.  I would prefer trading Maroth for a young left side infielder (who can maybe bat leadoff one day) or a young catcher.  We may have to wait to spring training for this though.  

Casey would be a good option at 1B, but not at 8 million.  Hopefully, he will take less and a 2-yr contract to stay.  We should not give up on Shelton.  He is only 26 and the stats he put up in the minors is no fluke.  The guy can flat out hit.  

Why don&#039;t the Tigers look at signing Frank Catalanotto?  He is the same age as Maggs, 32.  He is left handed and can play LF or RF.  He is basically being pushed out of the starting OF in TOR with Rios, Johnson, and Wells.  He can be had for cheap ($2.7 mil in &#039;06).  In the last 3 years his stats are .299/.366/.433.  His walks and strikeouts for last year were 52/37 (just what the Tigers need).  He is not as good against LH pitchers so we could platoon Thames or Maggs in the OF against RH.  This would let Maggs DH most of the time.  (Which I think we all can agree would be good.)  Finally, he could bat lead off with Polanco 2nd.  This would let Granderson bat 3rd which is more natural for him.  This maintains Leyland L/R/L/R that he loves with the lineup.  He would be a good stopgap until Maybin is ready in late &#039;08.  

Signing Casey, Walker, and Catalanotto would fill some holes and not break the bank.  We would still have a really potent offense.  Then we can trade some excess young pitchers for young position players that we are lacking or make a monster trade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of the forumers who are perplexed by the sudden interest in the &#8220;big&#8221; names.  Often these big names do not work out for teams.  They take a huge hit on the payroll, lessen flexibility and often get injured.  As far as some of the names mentioned.  A-Rod is terrible defensively and can never be a SS again.  He might work out as an 1B, but we should not pay what the Yankees will demand.  Lee is really the only &#8220;big&#8221; name that is worth his price.  Though, why overpay when our outfield is already good. </p>
<p>I also agree with the notion that we have to stick with what got us to where we are&#8230;young quality pitching.  Trading Bonderman is nuts.  He is one pitch away from being dominate.  I would prefer trading Maroth for a young left side infielder (who can maybe bat leadoff one day) or a young catcher.  We may have to wait to spring training for this though.  </p>
<p>Casey would be a good option at 1B, but not at 8 million.  Hopefully, he will take less and a 2-yr contract to stay.  We should not give up on Shelton.  He is only 26 and the stats he put up in the minors is no fluke.  The guy can flat out hit.  </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t the Tigers look at signing Frank Catalanotto?  He is the same age as Maggs, 32.  He is left handed and can play LF or RF.  He is basically being pushed out of the starting OF in TOR with Rios, Johnson, and Wells.  He can be had for cheap ($2.7 mil in &#8217;06).  In the last 3 years his stats are .299/.366/.433.  His walks and strikeouts for last year were 52/37 (just what the Tigers need).  He is not as good against LH pitchers so we could platoon Thames or Maggs in the OF against RH.  This would let Maggs DH most of the time.  (Which I think we all can agree would be good.)  Finally, he could bat lead off with Polanco 2nd.  This would let Granderson bat 3rd which is more natural for him.  This maintains Leyland L/R/L/R that he loves with the lineup.  He would be a good stopgap until Maybin is ready in late &#8217;08.  </p>
<p>Signing Casey, Walker, and Catalanotto would fill some holes and not break the bank.  We would still have a really potent offense.  Then we can trade some excess young pitchers for young position players that we are lacking or make a monster trade</p>
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		<title>By: Dave from 'The ATL'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave from 'The ATL'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

You articulated your points well.  I think we’ve come full-circle on this ‘Bonds issue’.  Bottom-line is Dombrowski wouldn’t make this move anyway and I agree  - too many distractions with the HR record.  I also agree that ‘pine-tar-use’ and ‘steroid-use’ aren’t even in the same ballpark.  

I’m just excited that I get to see my Tigers play down here at Turner Field next summer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>You articulated your points well.  I think we’ve come full-circle on this ‘Bonds issue’.  Bottom-line is Dombrowski wouldn’t make this move anyway and I agree  &#8211; too many distractions with the HR record.  I also agree that ‘pine-tar-use’ and ‘steroid-use’ aren’t even in the same ballpark.  </p>
<p>I’m just excited that I get to see my Tigers play down here at Turner Field next summer!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heckuva choice there,Bilfer.I&#039;m not absolving any individual of the responsibility of what they choose to do.However, pretending that ballplayers are immune to the coercive effects of making 20,50,or 100 times what they could make in more prosaic occupations ,or to getting the Canseco treatment for exposing the problem,is,yes, naive.These are young athletes,not wizened priests or imams.Like Kurt said,by their head in the sand policy,it is ultimately Selig&#039;s and Major League Baseball&#039;s fault that this problem became the monster and embarassment it did.Sadly,everyone who played during this era is a suspect. 
I&#039;d almost forgotten how we got where we are in this discussion-the question of whether or not the Tigers should sign Bonds(a moot point-no way would either the Tigers or Bonds entertain the notion).I&#039;ll stand by my answer of no for all the reasons I stated.Bonds reputation as a dick preceeded his &#039;conditioning&#039; program.His skills are declining.The media circus that comes with chasing Aaron&#039;s record,the drug use,the IRS thing,etc. are an inevitable distraction.Any one of those things alone make him a poor risk.Added together,the only thing that would cause me to gamble on him is if I had an American League team where I could hide him at DH(a primary reason I hate that bastardization of the game)and it was the only way I could get people into my park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heckuva choice there,Bilfer.I&#8217;m not absolving any individual of the responsibility of what they choose to do.However, pretending that ballplayers are immune to the coercive effects of making 20,50,or 100 times what they could make in more prosaic occupations ,or to getting the Canseco treatment for exposing the problem,is,yes, naive.These are young athletes,not wizened priests or imams.Like Kurt said,by their head in the sand policy,it is ultimately Selig&#8217;s and Major League Baseball&#8217;s fault that this problem became the monster and embarassment it did.Sadly,everyone who played during this era is a suspect.<br />
I&#8217;d almost forgotten how we got where we are in this discussion-the question of whether or not the Tigers should sign Bonds(a moot point-no way would either the Tigers or Bonds entertain the notion).I&#8217;ll stand by my answer of no for all the reasons I stated.Bonds reputation as a dick preceeded his &#8216;conditioning&#8217; program.His skills are declining.The media circus that comes with chasing Aaron&#8217;s record,the drug use,the IRS thing,etc. are an inevitable distraction.Any one of those things alone make him a poor risk.Added together,the only thing that would cause me to gamble on him is if I had an American League team where I could hide him at DH(a primary reason I hate that bastardization of the game)and it was the only way I could get people into my park.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>edit: strikeouts: 65, second lowest FOR A SLUGGER behind Pujols. And Lee had 19 steals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edit: strikeouts: 65, second lowest FOR A SLUGGER behind Pujols. And Lee had 19 steals.</p>
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