Comments on: Game 1: The Day After http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Cameron in Singapore http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17516 Cameron in Singapore Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:57:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17516 I absolutely agree that Casey should not be batting 3rd. What does he bring to that spot? Low average and no power? I think it makes most sense to move Guillen up to 3 and Monroe at 5. Move Casey down to 8. I absolutely agree that Casey should not be batting 3rd. What does he bring to that spot? Low average and no power?
I think it makes most sense to move Guillen up to 3 and Monroe at 5. Move Casey down to 8.

]]> By: Adam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17484 Adam Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:05:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17484 C'mon Billfer, where's the game post?! Haha. C’mon Billfer, where’s the game post?! Haha.

]]> By: Pete http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17476 Pete Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:20:51 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17476 Was anyone else struck by how much better the Yankees' middle infielders are defensively? The best example was the ground ball Matsui hit in the seventh. The Yankees probably turn that into a double play ten times out of ten, but we only got one out. It didn't end up mattering b/c Walker pitched out of it. But there were a lot of balls hit just out of the reach of Guillen and Polanco, and I think Jeter and Cano would have gotten to some of those. I do think we generally had good at bats last night and I think we can score some runs in this series. I'd like to see Verlander-Zumaya-Jones hold the Yanks to three or four runs tonight, and hopefully we can win 5-3 or something like that. Was anyone else struck by how much better the Yankees’ middle infielders are defensively? The best example was the ground ball Matsui hit in the seventh. The Yankees probably turn that into a double play ten times out of ten, but we only got one out. It didn’t end up mattering b/c Walker pitched out of it. But there were a lot of balls hit just out of the reach of Guillen and Polanco, and I think Jeter and Cano would have gotten to some of those. I do think we generally had good at bats last night and I think we can score some runs in this series. I’d like to see Verlander-Zumaya-Jones hold the Yanks to three or four runs tonight, and hopefully we can win 5-3 or something like that.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17468 Andrew Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:31:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17468 I know it is cliche to say "must win" because in reality all games really should be "must win." That being said - this is a must win game. Everyone knows (especially in a 5 game series) that for the underdog to have a chance he has to "steal" one of the first two games. I'll tell ya what - last night's game was probably one of the most exciting 8-4 games I have seen in a while. The Tigers had chances and didn't get it done. You can't have do-overs like you could as a kid playing at the sandlot so I won't digress and rehash last night any further. As far as second guessing - What if the Tigers had rallyed on the Yankees relief pitching and won? Don't you think the media would be second guessing Torre for pulling his starter when he was on a roll? As it was it cost him a run with Granderson pounding out a homerun. In Leyland We Trust. I know it is cliche to say “must win” because in reality all games really should be “must win.” That being said – this is a must win game. Everyone knows (especially in a 5 game series) that for the underdog to have a chance he has to “steal” one of the first two games.

I’ll tell ya what – last night’s game was probably one of the most exciting 8-4 games I have seen in a while. The Tigers had chances and didn’t get it done. You can’t have do-overs like you could as a kid playing at the sandlot so I won’t digress and rehash last night any further.

As far as second guessing – What if the Tigers had rallyed on the Yankees relief pitching and won? Don’t you think the media would be second guessing Torre for pulling his starter when he was on a roll? As it was it cost him a run with Granderson pounding out a homerun.

In Leyland We Trust.

]]> By: Adam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17464 Adam Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:08:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17464 Trouble is, if they go 3-0 against us, we can't fight back anymore. We need to at least get one game...I hope it's this one. Trouble is, if they go 3-0 against us, we can’t fight back anymore. We need to at least get one game…I hope it’s this one.

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17463 Kyle J Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:05:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17463 Dodgers get two runners thrown out at home plate on the same play. The Tigers' failed hit and run is no longer the most disastrous play of the postseason. Of course, the Dodgers are still winning: 1-0. Dodgers get two runners thrown out at home plate on the same play. The Tigers’ failed hit and run is no longer the most disastrous play of the postseason. Of course, the Dodgers are still winning: 1-0.

]]> By: cc http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17456 cc Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:47:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17456 also, Kyle, you're right, but I was speaking in the sense of the Yankees always have atomic weapons at their disposal (and a large payroll) versus the pop guns other teams have. I mean, why can't the Yankees ever send up Randall Simon, for chrissakes? also, Kyle, you’re right, but I was speaking in the sense of the Yankees always have atomic weapons at their disposal (and a large payroll) versus the pop guns other teams have.

I mean, why can’t the Yankees ever send up Randall Simon, for chrissakes?

]]> By: cc http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17453 cc Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:41:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17453 Dan, Have I seen baseball teams give up? Yes. I live in Kansas City. That should answer your question. Dan,

Have I seen baseball teams give up? Yes. I live in Kansas City. That should answer your question.

]]> By: Adam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17448 Adam Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:23:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17448 Kinda happy the Twins are losing again. Hehe. Kinda happy the Twins are losing again. Hehe.

]]> By: EZ http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17443 EZ Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:39:17 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17443 When the Evil Empire has A-Rod batting 6th.... Yikes. That is a good lineup. We need to get to Mussina early (if only I was in NY I would give him an Old Fashioned Nancy Kerrigan treatment) and hopefully rip the middle relievers. Also, isn't Rivera due for a let down one of these decades? When the Evil Empire has A-Rod batting 6th…. Yikes. That is a good lineup. We need to get to Mussina early (if only I was in NY I would give him an Old Fashioned Nancy Kerrigan treatment) and hopefully rip the middle relievers. Also, isn’t Rivera due for a let down one of these decades?

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17441 Kyle J Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:31:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17441 "But it’s the same group that was up 3-0 on the Red Sox in 2004, I was thinking last night." Sadly, this isn't true. Damon, Abreu, Giambi, and Cano are a pretty big upgrade from Bernie Williams, Tony Clark, Kenny Lofton, and Miguel Cairo. Don't get me wrong, I think the Tigers still have a great shot at taking the series if Verlander comes through tonight. But the Yankees have achieved a level of payroll/lineup dominance previously unknown to even them. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=241020110 “But it’s the same group that was up 3-0 on the Red Sox in 2004, I was thinking last night.”

Sadly, this isn’t true. Damon, Abreu, Giambi, and Cano are a pretty big upgrade from Bernie Williams, Tony Clark, Kenny Lofton, and Miguel Cairo. Don’t get me wrong, I think the Tigers still have a great shot at taking the series if Verlander comes through tonight. But the Yankees have achieved a level of payroll/lineup dominance previously unknown to even them.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=241020110

]]> By: Joey the K http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17437 Joey the K Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:23:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17437 Oh brother, dan is back. Leyland said this series would be a "second guessers dream", looks like he was right so far. I totally agree on that Jeter AB, I thought he was out on pitch 3 and then again on pitch 4! I usually don't mind Jeter, but man I hated him last night. Oh brother, dan is back. Leyland said this series would be a “second guessers dream”, looks like he was right so far.

I totally agree on that Jeter AB, I thought he was out on pitch 3 and then again on pitch 4! I usually don’t mind Jeter, but man I hated him last night.

]]> By: EZ http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17436 EZ Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:16:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17436 The hit and run worked to perfection for Torre last night. Damon, after one of his patented limp wristed infield hits, is on the run and Jeter lines a ball to the precise location of where Guillen would normally be playing. But Guillen is on the move to cover the bag and the liner goes for a "hussle" double setting the table for a 5 run Yankee inning, leaving runners on second and third with no one out, instead of having one on and one out (or possible getting Damon doubled off at first). Leyland tried this and Wang threw one of his best sinkers of the night. Sometimes this happens. However, at that point the score should have been 1-0 (or more) Tigers. If Inge doesn't inexplicably pull a 96 mile per hour fast ball, at the knees, on the outside of the plate to A-Rod at 3rd freaking base on a weak two hopper, then the runner on first does advances to second. Granderson's subsequent base hit the following plate appearance isn't nullified because Inge had no approach going into his at-bat. Did Inge even realize Sheffield was playing firstbase? Inge HAS to move that runner to second. 96 mhp at the knee's on the outside "black" of the plate has to be pushed to the right. Particularly when you have a completely inexperienced player playing first base. Leyland was trying to jump start an inning and just missed. Torre jump started an inning and a dubious strike zone by the home plate ump let the Yanks tee off with Robertson continually having a runner in scoring position. The hit and run worked to perfection for Torre last night. Damon, after one of his patented limp wristed infield hits, is on the run and Jeter lines a ball to the precise location of where Guillen would normally be playing. But Guillen is on the move to cover the bag and the liner goes for a “hussle” double setting the table for a 5 run Yankee inning, leaving runners on second and third with no one out, instead of having one on and one out (or possible getting Damon doubled off at first). Leyland tried this and Wang threw one of his best sinkers of the night. Sometimes this happens. However, at that point the score should have been 1-0 (or more) Tigers. If Inge doesn’t inexplicably pull a 96 mile per hour fast ball, at the knees, on the outside of the plate to A-Rod at 3rd freaking base on a weak two hopper, then the runner on first does advances to second. Granderson’s subsequent base hit the following plate appearance isn’t nullified because Inge had no approach going into his at-bat. Did Inge even realize Sheffield was playing firstbase? Inge HAS to move that runner to second. 96 mhp at the knee’s on the outside “black” of the plate has to be pushed to the right. Particularly when you have a completely inexperienced player playing first base. Leyland was trying to jump start an inning and just missed. Torre jump started an inning and a dubious strike zone by the home plate ump let the Yanks tee off with Robertson continually having a runner in scoring position.

]]> By: Ryan S http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17435 Ryan S Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:12:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17435 Dan - I think what people are talking about here concerning "giving up" has more to do with experience and confidence. While I wouldn't say you see a lot of baseball teams give up, I would say that a lot of unexperienced teams (like the Tigers) would be prone to get a sort of deer-in-the-headlights look to them in the situation they're in. When that spooked look sets in, it usually plays out as if they've given up (ie - they can't get anything going). The Tigers did not have that last night. They looked like they belonged there and didn't back down, even after giving up the 5 spot in the third. Sure they came up short, but I think most of us felt encouraged that the Yankees, while formidable, are not unbeatable for this Tiger team. Dan – I think what people are talking about here concerning “giving up” has more to do with experience and confidence. While I wouldn’t say you see a lot of baseball teams give up, I would say that a lot of unexperienced teams (like the Tigers) would be prone to get a sort of deer-in-the-headlights look to them in the situation they’re in. When that spooked look sets in, it usually plays out as if they’ve given up (ie – they can’t get anything going). The Tigers did not have that last night. They looked like they belonged there and didn’t back down, even after giving up the 5 spot in the third. Sure they came up short, but I think most of us felt encouraged that the Yankees, while formidable, are not unbeatable for this Tiger team.

]]> By: Dan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17433 Dan Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:11:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/game-1-the-day-after/#comment-17433 Whatever, Steve. People go around insulting baseball players with this crap all the time, and I'm defending them. Look, baseball players wouldn't be where they are if they had a tendency to "give up". Anyone who suggests that ballplayers have a tendency to quit during baseball games does not understand the business. Go to a meaningless, late-season game between the Brewers and the Pirates, and you'll see what I mean. It does not contribute anything whatsoever to the discussion to talk about how the team "didn't give up". Of course they didn't give. Either way, it has nothing to do with why they lost. I'm not quite quite sure why you find my latest comment insulting, byu the way. I was simply defending baseball players. Whatever, Steve. People go around insulting baseball players with this crap all the time, and I’m defending them.

Look, baseball players wouldn’t be where they are if they had a tendency to “give up”. Anyone who suggests that ballplayers have a tendency to quit during baseball games does not understand the business. Go to a meaningless, late-season game between the Brewers and the Pirates, and you’ll see what I mean.

It does not contribute anything whatsoever to the discussion to talk about how the team “didn’t give up”. Of course they didn’t give. Either way, it has nothing to do with why they lost.

I’m not quite quite sure why you find my latest comment insulting, byu the way. I was simply defending baseball players.

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