Comments on: ALDS Game 2: Tigers at Yankees http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Taylor http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17903 Taylor Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:08:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17903 Jeff M, you might be right about Zumaya needing a third pitch, but remember that Matt Anderson threw 100 mph straight balls. Joel's fastball moves. That's the biggest difference. Couple that with a curve ball that can be thrown for a strike and he's head and shoulders above Anderson. And for Verlander. I thought he looked good. I believe someone already pointed out that Mussina was getting the corner and Verlander wasn't. I thought he was hitting the strike zone... the umps didn't. Plus he was pitching to one of the greatest lineups ever assembled. That makes it even better. Just my .02 Jeff M, you might be right about Zumaya needing a third pitch, but remember that Matt Anderson threw 100 mph straight balls. Joel’s fastball moves. That’s the biggest difference. Couple that with a curve ball that can be thrown for a strike and he’s head and shoulders above Anderson.
And for Verlander. I thought he looked good. I believe someone already pointed out that Mussina was getting the corner and Verlander wasn’t. I thought he was hitting the strike zone… the umps didn’t. Plus he was pitching to one of the greatest lineups ever assembled. That makes it even better.

Just my .02

]]> By: Paul http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17830 Paul Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:39:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17830 I think you're the 207th. I think you’re the 207th.

]]> By: Sam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17829 Sam Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:37:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17829 I Just wanted to be the 205th Comment!!! GO Tigers! -Sam I Just wanted to be the 205th Comment!!!

GO Tigers!

-Sam

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17822 Jeff M Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:10:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17822 <blockquote>That is all fodder for December 99th.</blockquote> Well said. :) <blockquote>does ANYBODY really want to trade Zumaya for anyone except Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb. </blockquote> Yeah, if our guys think he's overvalued. It would need to be a very good package, but I would go for something along the lines of the Weaver trade. That was a perfectly example of trading a guy that had already peaked to a team that didn't realize it. <blockquote>Lets get Illich to fork over some pizza money</blockquote> Heck no! He might try to raise the price of my $5 pizzas. :(

That is all fodder for December 99th.

Well said. :)

does ANYBODY really want to trade Zumaya for anyone except Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb.

Yeah, if our guys think he’s overvalued. It would need to be a very good package, but I would go for something along the lines of the Weaver trade. That was a perfectly example of trading a guy that had already peaked to a team that didn’t realize it.

Lets get Illich to fork over some pizza money

Heck no! He might try to raise the price of my $5 pizzas. :(

]]> By: Dave from 'The ATL' http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17820 Dave from 'The ATL' Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:04:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17820 Steve, What'ya smokin'? Bonderman's pitchin' Saturday, of course. That's the rotation 1) Nate 2) Justin 3) Gambler 4) Bondo Steve,

What’ya smokin’? Bonderman’s pitchin’ Saturday, of course. That’s the rotation 1) Nate 2) Justin 3) Gambler 4) Bondo

]]> By: Steve http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17813 Steve Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:21:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17813 My how are our minds wondering, its game 2 of the ALDS and we are considering trading or Starting Zumaya, Dudes, boys, guys .....lets get a grip. That is all fodder for December 99th. Not that its not important but does ANYBODY really want to trade Zumaya for anyone except Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb. We have what practically no one else has in him;;; a young flamethrower in the pen, Lets get Illich to fork over some pizza money and get a bat with cash and keep Z. I agree why in the world are all the Michigan games on at once. Where I come from we call that getting boned. My how are our minds wondering, its game 2 of the ALDS and we are considering trading or Starting Zumaya, Dudes, boys, guys …..lets get a grip. That is all fodder for December 99th. Not that its not important but does ANYBODY really want to trade Zumaya for anyone except Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb. We have what practically no one else has in him;;; a young flamethrower in the pen, Lets get Illich to fork over some pizza money and get a bat with cash and keep Z.

I agree why in the world are all the Michigan games on at once. Where I come from we call that getting boned.

]]> By: Paul http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17812 Paul Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:19:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17812 Mark, I'm in your camp with JZ. I don't see him as a starter, I love him as a setup then closer. I think he's perfect in the K-Rod & Mariano career path as you mention. I think maybe because there is so much talk about Papelbon moving from the bullpen to the rotation that for some reason people want to do the same with Zumaya. His career is as a dominant reliever in my opinion. Mark, I’m in your camp with JZ. I don’t see him as a starter, I love him as a setup then closer. I think he’s perfect in the K-Rod & Mariano career path as you mention. I think maybe because there is so much talk about Papelbon moving from the bullpen to the rotation that for some reason people want to do the same with Zumaya. His career is as a dominant reliever in my opinion.

]]> By: Mark in SF http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17808 Mark in SF Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:02:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17808 I don't think Zumaya's going to be starting -- ever. I remember reading somewhere that Zumaya used to be a starter, but that the pitching coaches in the Tigers organization noticed some problems in his mechanics. Their fear was that his mechanics would not permit him to sustain his fastball over longer periods of time without doing damage to his arm. Rather than fix the mechanics, which is a difficult process of unlearning motions that a pitcher has made thousands of times, the organization decided to use him in the bullpen. The coaches felt his arm would be just fine, mechanics unchanged, with fewer innings per outing. I'm not sure why people are evaluating his worth in the organization as a starting pitcher. My view of it is that he looks much like Mariano Rivera did when he broke into the league -- a dominant set-up man, who eventually became the everyday closer. That's exactly what I imagine Zumaya will be once Jones' contract is done. The trade idea is interesting, but I think the Tigers would send off Tata, Walker, Rodney, and maybe even Robertson, for a big bat if we decide to ship our pitching elsewhere. I don’t think Zumaya’s going to be starting — ever. I remember reading somewhere that Zumaya used to be a starter, but that the pitching coaches in the Tigers organization noticed some problems in his mechanics. Their fear was that his mechanics would not permit him to sustain his fastball over longer periods of time without doing damage to his arm. Rather than fix the mechanics, which is a difficult process of unlearning motions that a pitcher has made thousands of times, the organization decided to use him in the bullpen. The coaches felt his arm would be just fine, mechanics unchanged, with fewer innings per outing.

I’m not sure why people are evaluating his worth in the organization as a starting pitcher. My view of it is that he looks much like Mariano Rivera did when he broke into the league — a dominant set-up man, who eventually became the everyday closer. That’s exactly what I imagine Zumaya will be once Jones’ contract is done.

The trade idea is interesting, but I think the Tigers would send off Tata, Walker, Rodney, and maybe even Robertson, for a big bat if we decide to ship our pitching elsewhere.

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17806 Jeff M Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:48:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17806 lol, Joey I'm going to assume you were wearing some swag, but if you weren't, that's a very impressive story. lol, Joey I’m going to assume you were wearing some swag, but if you weren’t, that’s a very impressive story.

]]> By: Joey the K http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17804 Joey the K Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:42:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17804 Wow after the game I was out and about and had a bunch of strangers congratulate me on the win, and this is in Portland Oregon! Wow after the game I was out and about and had a bunch of strangers congratulate me on the win, and this is in Portland Oregon!

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17803 Kyle J Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:22:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17803 Hmmm. Confirmation that (1) the whole world revolves around New York and/or (2) the MLB front office is lacking in common sense: Game 4 has been scheduled for the same time slot as the MSU-UM game. http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/schedule/ps_06.jsp As an MSU fan, I don't mind missing the football game. The problem is that I have a 6:00 dinner commitment. I was sure I'd be OK--that they wouldn't schedule the baseball game for the same time as the football game. Hmmm. Confirmation that (1) the whole world revolves around New York and/or (2) the MLB front office is lacking in common sense: Game 4 has been scheduled for the same time slot as the MSU-UM game.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...../ps_06.jsp

As an MSU fan, I don’t mind missing the football game. The problem is that I have a 6:00 dinner commitment. I was sure I’d be OK–that they wouldn’t schedule the baseball game for the same time as the football game.

]]> By: Paul http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17802 Paul Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:22:38 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17802 LOOOOOOL at comparing Zumaya and Anderson. That's foolish at best. I'll leave at that because I don't want to start a fight, but what a ridiculous assessment. I'm not ready to make Zumaya a starter by any means, but to say he could head down a Matt Anderson path is just hilarious. LOOOOOOL at comparing Zumaya and Anderson. That’s foolish at best. I’ll leave at that because I don’t want to start a fight, but what a ridiculous assessment. I’m not ready to make Zumaya a starter by any means, but to say he could head down a Matt Anderson path is just hilarious.

]]> By: Steve http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17801 Steve Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:20:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17801 Good observation Pete and I think correct. Care to take a swag at #8, if he were playing ;) Good observation Pete and I think correct. Care to take a swag at #8, if he were playing ;)

]]> By: Pete http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17800 Pete Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:14:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17800 Interesting thing about today's game: if the great MATT STAIRS had been eligible for the playoff roster, he probably would have started today instead of Thames (as he did most games after the Tigers acquired him), and we almost certainly would have lost. Interesting thing about today’s game: if the great MATT STAIRS had been eligible for the playoff roster, he probably would have started today instead of Thames (as he did most games after the Tigers acquired him), and we almost certainly would have lost.

]]> By: Steve http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17796 Steve Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:50:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/10/alds-game-2-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-17796 If we go with Rogers on Friday do we go Bondo Sat then what about Nate and Verlander again. Will Bondo have it, he has looked tired lately but so did Verlander before today. That was not just running on adrenaline for 5 plus innings, he looked fresh. There are some real decisions comming by Leyland. We have the arms and the different styles. Ken from Cincy, I think you were the original Little Debbie oatmeal pie guy, I had one today, way to much sugar for me but I am having another Friday since we one. Lets all try to settle in for the night. Long weekend series and you all need your rest. If you have cable centre ice is free so watch the Wings or the Leafs-Senators game tonight. Steve If we go with Rogers on Friday do we go Bondo Sat then what about Nate and Verlander again.

Will Bondo have it, he has looked tired lately but so did Verlander before today. That was not just running on adrenaline for 5 plus innings, he looked fresh. There are some real decisions comming by Leyland. We have the arms and the different styles.

Ken from Cincy, I think you were the original Little Debbie oatmeal pie guy, I had one today, way to much sugar for me but I am having another Friday since we one.

Lets all try to settle in for the night. Long weekend series and you all need your rest. If you have cable centre ice is free so watch the Wings or the Leafs-Senators game tonight.

Steve

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