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		<title>By: Kyle J</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/09/tigers-business-is-booming/#comment-16337</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two very interesting baseball articles in today&#039;s Wall Street Journal (don&#039;t think you can access them on-line w/o a subscription):

1) Top clutch postseason hits of all time judged on four criteria: how late in the game, increased odds of winning game, increased odds of winning World Series, quality of pitcher.  Tony Womack&#039;s game 7 double in the 2001 WS comes out on top--edging Mazeroski, Gibson, and Thompson.  Pudge&#039;s single in game 3 of the 2003 NLDS comes in at #10 among hits in the last five years.

2) Article arguing that batting avg. allowed to opponents is a key indicator of postseason success.  Tigers rank 2nd among postseason contenders on this stat at .254.  Padres are first at .250.  Yankees: .262.  Twins: .267.  A&#039;s: .270.  Argument is (in part) that walks aren&#039;t as harmful against lineups stacked with better hitters.  Claims to be based on BP research.  Will need to review chapter from the book they released earlier this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two very interesting baseball articles in today&#8217;s Wall Street Journal (don&#8217;t think you can access them on-line w/o a subscription):</p>
<p>1) Top clutch postseason hits of all time judged on four criteria: how late in the game, increased odds of winning game, increased odds of winning World Series, quality of pitcher.  Tony Womack&#8217;s game 7 double in the 2001 WS comes out on top&#8211;edging Mazeroski, Gibson, and Thompson.  Pudge&#8217;s single in game 3 of the 2003 NLDS comes in at #10 among hits in the last five years.</p>
<p>2) Article arguing that batting avg. allowed to opponents is a key indicator of postseason success.  Tigers rank 2nd among postseason contenders on this stat at .254.  Padres are first at .250.  Yankees: .262.  Twins: .267.  A&#8217;s: .270.  Argument is (in part) that walks aren&#8217;t as harmful against lineups stacked with better hitters.  Claims to be based on BP research.  Will need to review chapter from the book they released earlier this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/09/tigers-business-is-booming/#comment-16336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I read it all the way through, hotel, restaurants, etc, were covered in indirect, and that, ultimately, is just using a guess that worked well in the past. Not everyone is from out-of-town, not every dollar spent at a hotel stays in Detroit, etc.

But as has been stated, it&#039;s always an imprecise art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I read it all the way through, hotel, restaurants, etc, were covered in indirect, and that, ultimately, is just using a guess that worked well in the past. Not everyone is from out-of-town, not every dollar spent at a hotel stays in Detroit, etc.</p>
<p>But as has been stated, it&#8217;s always an imprecise art.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/09/tigers-business-is-booming/#comment-16334</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without knowing their track record, it&#039;s hard to say. Their 60% indirect sounds like a high estimate, but then they leave out of direct any estimate how much money people from out of town are spending while in Detroit -- not directly at the game. Under the idea that the playoffs would some amount draw out-of-towners to the game, I think they dumped that into indirect.

Say, if I flew down there, stayed with friends, there&#039;d be more spending in the city that wasn&#039;t taken into direct effect on the study. I&#039;d have to eat, maybe spend a few bucks shopping at an actual mall (their use of Detroit was &quot;metro.&quot;) Some folks from out-of-town may stay at a hotel if they don&#039;t have friends or family, that&#039;s extra money that doesn&#039;t fit into any specific  category they included.

Those are hard things to estimate directly. So, I think that 60% might be somewhat of a catch-all, or else their study has a bit of a flaw in its estimate.

I&#039;d also be curious how much of a track record they have. They only claim to have a good one. 

Also not an economist, but studied four years of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without knowing their track record, it&#8217;s hard to say. Their 60% indirect sounds like a high estimate, but then they leave out of direct any estimate how much money people from out of town are spending while in Detroit &#8212; not directly at the game. Under the idea that the playoffs would some amount draw out-of-towners to the game, I think they dumped that into indirect.</p>
<p>Say, if I flew down there, stayed with friends, there&#8217;d be more spending in the city that wasn&#8217;t taken into direct effect on the study. I&#8217;d have to eat, maybe spend a few bucks shopping at an actual mall (their use of Detroit was &#8220;metro.&#8221;) Some folks from out-of-town may stay at a hotel if they don&#8217;t have friends or family, that&#8217;s extra money that doesn&#8217;t fit into any specific  category they included.</p>
<p>Those are hard things to estimate directly. So, I think that 60% might be somewhat of a catch-all, or else their study has a bit of a flaw in its estimate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be curious how much of a track record they have. They only claim to have a good one. </p>
<p>Also not an economist, but studied four years of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle J</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/09/tigers-business-is-booming/#comment-16325</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link to economic study here:

http://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/modules.php?name=Content&amp;pa=display_aeg&amp;doc_ID=1969

The squishy part of studies like these are the &quot;indirect economic multipliers.&quot;  They&#039;re assuming a multiplier of 1.6--i.e., that 60% of direct spending is then respent in the Detroit area by those collecting the first wave of revenue.  This seems a bit high given that a large portion of the revenue is basically going to Mike Illitch.  I really don&#039;t think he&#039;s going to take that money and head over to the Greektown Casino to blow it.

Certainly the Tigers&#039; success is great for the city.  Pinning down the impact is pretty imprecise science, though.

(I&#039;m not an economist, but I play one on TV.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link to economic study here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/modules.php?name=Content&#038;pa=display_aeg&#038;doc_ID=1969" rel="nofollow">http://www.andersoneconomicgro.....oc_ID=1969</a></p>
<p>The squishy part of studies like these are the &#8220;indirect economic multipliers.&#8221;  They&#8217;re assuming a multiplier of 1.6&#8211;i.e., that 60% of direct spending is then respent in the Detroit area by those collecting the first wave of revenue.  This seems a bit high given that a large portion of the revenue is basically going to Mike Illitch.  I really don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s going to take that money and head over to the Greektown Casino to blow it.</p>
<p>Certainly the Tigers&#8217; success is great for the city.  Pinning down the impact is pretty imprecise science, though.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m not an economist, but I play one on TV.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/09/tigers-business-is-booming/#comment-16314</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those numbers are very reasonable. The only problem is that about 80% of it will be spent inside the stadium. The average ticket prices are about $50/$90/$190. Figure $20 per fan in concessions and now the only thing being spent in the surrounding area is parking and a couple beers. 

There&#039;s no doubt it&#039;s good for the city, but mostly it&#039;s just good for Ilitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those numbers are very reasonable. The only problem is that about 80% of it will be spent inside the stadium. The average ticket prices are about $50/$90/$190. Figure $20 per fan in concessions and now the only thing being spent in the surrounding area is parking and a couple beers. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt it&#8217;s good for the city, but mostly it&#8217;s just good for Ilitch.</p>
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