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	<title>Comments on: Game 119:  Tigers at Red Sox</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/08/game-119-tigers-at-red-sox/#comment-10126</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was just because it was a close call, and he was doing the obligatory &quot;arguing&quot; because, let&#039;s face it, the whole thing was pretty undesirable.

Jeff, as far as tactics are concerned, I&#039;ll say nice things about Leyland when Leyland does things particularly well.  A manager is expected to do an adequate job, and when he does better than that I will be impressed and probably say so.  If he does a less than adequate job I will say something about that as well.

Let&#039;s face it, you don&#039;t LIKE it that I call Leyland out on things, so you jump down my throat even though the comment I made was totally reasonable and polite.  You are therefore guilty of exactly the thing I am repeadedly accused of doing.  You don&#039;t LIKE my opinion, so the snarkiness commences.

If you think there is any more than a slight legitimacy to the Manager of the Year Award, then let&#039;s just stop the conversation right there.  It&#039;s almost impossible to judge who has done the best job managing in a given year, and vote is almost purely subjective.  Like the &quot;Comeback Player of the Year&quot; Award, it is an utter waste of time.

If you disagree, ask yourself this - why does a different manager get it every year?  Doesn&#039;t it stand to reason that the best manager will almost always be the best, year in and year out?  Why is it always a first place team, or else a team that nearly missed 1st place?  Sure, it&#039;s usualy because they are perceived to have overperformed, and that CAN have to do with the manager, but does it always?  Point me to any Manager of the Year award, and I can probably give you a real, concrete reason that the team vaulted forward, and that reason will almost always have something to do with player personnel decisions by the GM.  If anything, the emphasis should be on the GM of the Year award.  Dombrowski has done far far more for this club than Leyland has.  If it weren&#039;t for the obsession with the hit-and-run play and the goofy lineup decisions, the Tigers would probaby be at least a game or two BETTER than where Leyland has us.  Am I saying he&#039;s extrordinarily bad?  No.  But he isn&#039;t special.

Bobby Cox is, in my opinion, the best manager in baseball over the last decade or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was just because it was a close call, and he was doing the obligatory &#8220;arguing&#8221; because, let&#8217;s face it, the whole thing was pretty undesirable.</p>
<p>Jeff, as far as tactics are concerned, I&#8217;ll say nice things about Leyland when Leyland does things particularly well.  A manager is expected to do an adequate job, and when he does better than that I will be impressed and probably say so.  If he does a less than adequate job I will say something about that as well.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, you don&#8217;t LIKE it that I call Leyland out on things, so you jump down my throat even though the comment I made was totally reasonable and polite.  You are therefore guilty of exactly the thing I am repeadedly accused of doing.  You don&#8217;t LIKE my opinion, so the snarkiness commences.</p>
<p>If you think there is any more than a slight legitimacy to the Manager of the Year Award, then let&#8217;s just stop the conversation right there.  It&#8217;s almost impossible to judge who has done the best job managing in a given year, and vote is almost purely subjective.  Like the &#8220;Comeback Player of the Year&#8221; Award, it is an utter waste of time.</p>
<p>If you disagree, ask yourself this &#8211; why does a different manager get it every year?  Doesn&#8217;t it stand to reason that the best manager will almost always be the best, year in and year out?  Why is it always a first place team, or else a team that nearly missed 1st place?  Sure, it&#8217;s usualy because they are perceived to have overperformed, and that CAN have to do with the manager, but does it always?  Point me to any Manager of the Year award, and I can probably give you a real, concrete reason that the team vaulted forward, and that reason will almost always have something to do with player personnel decisions by the GM.  If anything, the emphasis should be on the GM of the Year award.  Dombrowski has done far far more for this club than Leyland has.  If it weren&#8217;t for the obsession with the hit-and-run play and the goofy lineup decisions, the Tigers would probaby be at least a game or two BETTER than where Leyland has us.  Am I saying he&#8217;s extrordinarily bad?  No.  But he isn&#8217;t special.</p>
<p>Bobby Cox is, in my opinion, the best manager in baseball over the last decade or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave T.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/08/game-119-tigers-at-red-sox/#comment-10105</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know what Leyland was arguing about when Monroe got picked off first (for the 2nd time)
Was he upset the ump was not in position when he made the call?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know what Leyland was arguing about when Monroe got picked off first (for the 2nd time)<br />
Was he upset the ump was not in position when he made the call?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/08/game-119-tigers-at-red-sox/#comment-10087</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Craig--everyone in my house knows if you root for the Yankees, you have to sleep in the garage...Marrying a fan would be quite the offense. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Craig&#8211;everyone in my house knows if you root for the Yankees, you have to sleep in the garage&#8230;Marrying a fan would be quite the offense. <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 05:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff M, not trying to be a contrarian here, and I don&#039;t mean to be snarky (I&#039;m thinking about prefacing every post with this, so as not to upset the fragility on the board), but I&#039;ve played 2nd base for years, and I still play it, and most 4-6-3 DPs are far bigger challenges than 6-4-3s, especially for a catcher, who is presumably used to having runners bearing down on him.  Just throwing this out there.  A 4-6-3 in the hole is quite a challenge for just about any player...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff M, not trying to be a contrarian here, and I don&#8217;t mean to be snarky (I&#8217;m thinking about prefacing every post with this, so as not to upset the fragility on the board), but I&#8217;ve played 2nd base for years, and I still play it, and most 4-6-3 DPs are far bigger challenges than 6-4-3s, especially for a catcher, who is presumably used to having runners bearing down on him.  Just throwing this out there.  A 4-6-3 in the hole is quite a challenge for just about any player&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron in Singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron in Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey C.
My bad...just following the game online so I didn&#039;t know what kind of hit it was.  
Still a great win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey C.<br />
My bad&#8230;just following the game online so I didn&#8217;t know what kind of hit it was.<br />
Still a great win!</p>
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		<title>By: Joey the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Craig as long as she don&#039;t marry a White Sox fan!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Craig as long as she don&#8217;t marry a White Sox fan!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/08/game-119-tigers-at-red-sox/#comment-10056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;my 10 year old asked me what I would do if she married a Yankee fan…&lt;/blockquote&gt;
lol, I&#039;m not sure if I should commend you for raising her with an open mind or flame her for even raising the possibility....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>my 10 year old asked me what I would do if she married a Yankee fan…</p></blockquote>
<p>lol, I&#8217;m not sure if I should commend you for raising her with an open mind or flame her for even raising the possibility&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you rules.  This is an added facet to my enjoyment of Tiger Baseball.  When I was a young kid growing up in Toledo, I used to sit on the back porch with a scorebook on hot summer nights and listen to Ernie Harwell hanging on every pitch.

My kids sit with me and enjoy the site as much as I do.

I was in a Starbucks today and in walked a family of 4 all wearing Tiger hats.  We talked they were from Monroe and were out here on vacation.  We talked Tiger baseball for 2 minutes and were fast friends. 

I truly believe Tiger fans are unique along with those of a handful of other francise&#039;s.

I live in the Bay area and  the Tiges have alot of folks rooting for them.  I am hopeful to see Tiger v A&#039;s playoff games.
Lets keep this all in perspective ...It&#039;s a game and we as fans should be excited  that OUR team is in the position they are in.   

One last perspective my 10 year old asked me what I would do if she married a Yankee fan......

Go Tigers and keep Placido Polanco in our collective prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you rules.  This is an added facet to my enjoyment of Tiger Baseball.  When I was a young kid growing up in Toledo, I used to sit on the back porch with a scorebook on hot summer nights and listen to Ernie Harwell hanging on every pitch.</p>
<p>My kids sit with me and enjoy the site as much as I do.</p>
<p>I was in a Starbucks today and in walked a family of 4 all wearing Tiger hats.  We talked they were from Monroe and were out here on vacation.  We talked Tiger baseball for 2 minutes and were fast friends. </p>
<p>I truly believe Tiger fans are unique along with those of a handful of other francise&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I live in the Bay area and  the Tiges have alot of folks rooting for them.  I am hopeful to see Tiger v A&#8217;s playoff games.<br />
Lets keep this all in perspective &#8230;It&#8217;s a game and we as fans should be excited  that OUR team is in the position they are in.   </p>
<p>One last perspective my 10 year old asked me what I would do if she married a Yankee fan&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Go Tigers and keep Placido Polanco in our collective prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/08/game-119-tigers-at-red-sox/#comment-10054</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pudge might be able to play second, his throwing accuracy is great and as long as he can get to the ball, routine plays shouldn&#039;t be a problem....

Just thinking about that..

Anyways, great game. No errors!! Must be like the first time in several weeks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pudge might be able to play second, his throwing accuracy is great and as long as he can get to the ball, routine plays shouldn&#8217;t be a problem&#8230;.</p>
<p>Just thinking about that..</p>
<p>Anyways, great game. No errors!! Must be like the first time in several weeks</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhe Whitesox lose.

Bummer, so sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhe Whitesox lose.</p>
<p>Bummer, so sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I forgot to include: Todd Jones right now is really on his game; just pitching perfect right now. That final called K to end the game was a ball right on the black; couldn&#039;t have been better. Just a perfect pitch. Whatever his problem was back in June, well, he&#039;s fixed it nicely. The last 2 nights....both awesome performances.......good job, bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I forgot to include: Todd Jones right now is really on his game; just pitching perfect right now. That final called K to end the game was a ball right on the black; couldn&#8217;t have been better. Just a perfect pitch. Whatever his problem was back in June, well, he&#8217;s fixed it nicely. The last 2 nights&#8230;.both awesome performances&#8230;&#8230;.good job, bud.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am watching the Who-Sox on MLB extra innings now. I love to see them lose one here. Down 4-2 with the B9 left for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am watching the Who-Sox on MLB extra innings now. I love to see them lose one here. Down 4-2 with the B9 left for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whew! I can’t believe Pudge was playing second base. A 4-6-3 grounder would have been an adventure.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, that was interesting. I&#039;m sure the 4-6-3 would have been no big deal, but the 6-4-3 probably would have been a 6-4, E4. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Awful game from Monroe today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Who knows what’s gotten into Todd Jones.
I&#039;m no Jones fanboy, but I&#039;m pretty sure we can all agree that he&#039;s earned his money so far. Here&#039;s hoping he can keep it up. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;or those of you who are waiting for me to say something nice about Leyland - I think he did a good job making the right pitching moves at the right time today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Honestly, that&#039;s the best you can offer? If it weren&#039;t for the H&amp;R call, this game is still being played. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think a lot of people recognize how good Inge is with the glove, but it won’t be enough.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right. I just hope he gets a good deal of respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whew! I can’t believe Pudge was playing second base. A 4-6-3 grounder would have been an adventure.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, that was interesting. I&#8217;m sure the 4-6-3 would have been no big deal, but the 6-4-3 probably would have been a 6-4, E4. </p>
<blockquote><p>Awful game from Monroe today.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who knows what’s gotten into Todd Jones.<br />
I&#8217;m no Jones fanboy, but I&#8217;m pretty sure we can all agree that he&#8217;s earned his money so far. Here&#8217;s hoping he can keep it up. </p>
<blockquote><p>or those of you who are waiting for me to say something nice about Leyland &#8211; I think he did a good job making the right pitching moves at the right time today.</p></blockquote>
<p>Honestly, that&#8217;s the best you can offer? If it weren&#8217;t for the H&amp;R call, this game is still being played. </p>
<blockquote><p>I think a lot of people recognize how good Inge is with the glove, but it won’t be enough.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right. I just hope he gets a good deal of respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now that was a &quot;real&quot; win. We got the big &quot;hit&quot; in the 9th; I think he&#039;d have scored from 3rd regardless, Pena would&#039;ve had to right himself, set himself, then throw. I think it was a run anyway. They didn&#039;t even charge Pena with an error. Monroe was an idiot getting chopped off 1st there; just ridiculous. Infante should&#039;ve been charged an &quot;e&quot; in the 1st inning; no way that&#039;s a hit. Bondo pitched excellent; better than Schilling....a shame he didn&#039;t get the W. And Infante - he was out at home &#039;cause he didn&#039;t break with the crack of the bat immediately - the fielder fumbled it first, then he ran. Too late to try at that point; dumb base running. Damn shame about Polanco, we need him. A separated shoulder is maybe 3 weeks on the shelf, I&#039;d guess. Well, all teams get injuries; we just gotta play thru it. Good job winning tonight...... :-)

Rock on, boys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now that was a &#8220;real&#8221; win. We got the big &#8220;hit&#8221; in the 9th; I think he&#8217;d have scored from 3rd regardless, Pena would&#8217;ve had to right himself, set himself, then throw. I think it was a run anyway. They didn&#8217;t even charge Pena with an error. Monroe was an idiot getting chopped off 1st there; just ridiculous. Infante should&#8217;ve been charged an &#8220;e&#8221; in the 1st inning; no way that&#8217;s a hit. Bondo pitched excellent; better than Schilling&#8230;.a shame he didn&#8217;t get the W. And Infante &#8211; he was out at home &#8217;cause he didn&#8217;t break with the crack of the bat immediately &#8211; the fielder fumbled it first, then he ran. Too late to try at that point; dumb base running. Damn shame about Polanco, we need him. A separated shoulder is maybe 3 weeks on the shelf, I&#8217;d guess. Well, all teams get injuries; we just gotta play thru it. Good job winning tonight&#8230;&#8230; <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Rock on, boys</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How kind of you, Dan, to say something nice about Leyland.  If Leyland improves his performance in your eyes enough in the last couple months he might be able to scrape out a top 3 finish in the AL manager of the year balloting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How kind of you, Dan, to say something nice about Leyland.  If Leyland improves his performance in your eyes enough in the last couple months he might be able to scrape out a top 3 finish in the AL manager of the year balloting.</p>
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