Game 105: Tigers at Devil Rays

PREGAME Kenny Rogers against Casey Fossum. Game Time 7:15

POSTGAME: Well if this is what happens when I skimp on the pregame portion, I’ll write War and Peace each game.

This one was simply ugly. Rogers was hurt by two, two run homers. Ledezma pitched okay in relief, but 2 more runs crossed the plate.

My real issues are with Dmitri Young and the offense.

Young was an embarrassment tonight. He flat out dropped 3 throws and looked horrible at the plate for the bulk of the night.

And the offense with 10 strikeouts against Casey Fossum!

I have nothing nice to say tonight. This game looked way too much like the 8th inning last night. I take it back, Brent Clevlen picked up his 2nd assist on an awesome throw to second. Here’s hoping that Justin Verlander can play the role of stopper and the bats come out angry tomorrow.


  1. Kurt

    July 31, 2006 at 8:45 pm

    All of a sudden I’m missing Shelton…

  2. Adam

    July 31, 2006 at 8:47 pm

    Please, PLEASE make a pitching change.

  3. Greg

    July 31, 2006 at 8:55 pm

    Maybe we can get Mentkiewicz (spelling?) in a waiver deal? Just kidding, but DY’s timing for a three-error game couldn’t be worse. Imagine the posts on here if the Mayor has multiple errors in his first game.

    I think it’s reached the point where someone needs to find a phantom ailment on Rogers just to place him on the DL and get some rest. I’m afraid Leyland will insist on starting him in the playoffs because he’s a veteran, started opening day, etc.

  4. Adam

    July 31, 2006 at 8:59 pm

    TAKE HIM OUT!!! Holy crap, Kenny.

  5. Chris M

    July 31, 2006 at 9:02 pm

    I think Shelton put a curse on D.Y.’s glove before he left for Toledo.

  6. Adam

    July 31, 2006 at 9:04 pm

    Jeez…Ledezma finally replaces Rogers. Who I swear is our worst pitcher at this point in time. Just get Leyland to get that into his head…

  7. Chris Y.

    July 31, 2006 at 9:15 pm

    This is the karma game after yesterday’s breakdown. Leyland needs to chew some….

    Rogers second half breakdowns are suddenly a huge problem. I really would’ve like to see a Verlander, Bonderman, Smoltz trio for the postseason (if’n we make it). However, I’d more than take April’s Kenny — if he can return to form. How he does that might be Leyland’s biggest problem right now.

  8. Jared

    July 31, 2006 at 9:40 pm

    2 OF assists for the rookie…in two games…hm…congrats Brent

  9. Jeff M

    July 31, 2006 at 9:41 pm

    Bummer, about DY, but DANG, who’s that kid in right?? 🙂

  10. Joey C.

    July 31, 2006 at 9:51 pm

    Just an awesome at bat by Inge in the 9th. Stupendous.

    Well we can debate the Casey/Shelton fielding difference, but I think we can all agree that Casey is going to be an upgrade from DY. What an awful performance.

  11. Jeff M

    July 31, 2006 at 10:00 pm

    We certainly didn’t deserve to win that, but I’m not happy about Pudge’s reaction on that last pitch. You could see by his body language that he thought “hey, maybe i should run to first” several times, but each time he decided “ah, fark it. the game’s over.”

    9999 times out of 10000 times he’s right, but c’mon… that’s the kind of attitude that I would expect from Juan Gonzalez.

  12. Joey C.

    July 31, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    Terrible game.

    When does Maroth get back?

    Chris, I agree with you about the magnitude of the problem re: The Gambler. I also agree that Leyland isn’t likely to pull him from the rotation.

    Greg, I’m putting the call into some heavy hitting east Brooklyn dudes who will be happy to manufacture an ailment.

    ….uh…just kidding…there’s nothing happening here…everything is normal.

  13. Joey C.

    July 31, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    Yeah Jeff, that bothered me too.

  14. Scott

    July 31, 2006 at 10:13 pm

    this was the sorriest performance by the Tigers in a long time. What, 12 K’s? Against basically a AAA pitcher in Fossum, et al? And Dmitri didn’t make 3 errors, he made 4. He missed (yes, missed) Rogers pickoff throw – that wasn’t Rogers’ error. How does a major leaguer make 4 errors in one game? Maybe we should’ve sent Dmitri down and kept Shelton. This game reminded me of the Tigers of yore….just bad. The only bright spot was Clevlin’s throw out at 2nd in the 8th inning. There’s gonna be hell to pay if they don’t play well tomorrow night – I’ll be there. Now let’s just forget this very forgetable game….. 🙁

  15. Shawn in Tokyo

    July 31, 2006 at 10:28 pm

    Yeah, crap. Wanted to start of my Tuesday in Tokyo with a win.

    By the way, looks like we raised the Twins’ level of play for their Texas series. In fact, it seems a lot of teams play better after losing to the Tigers…

  16. Steve

    July 31, 2006 at 10:45 pm

    This may be a case of looking past a weak opponent. Not that this is an excuse, but they lost one they shouldnt have yesterday and did not have anything going today. Lets ee what Jim does overnight / Tuesday to get them going again.

    I agree with all the posts. Kenny needs a couple of weeks to rest teh arm and get ready for the strech.

    Good to see all the opinions on the trades. I think we all just need to stand bye and see what happens. Csey could come back rockin’ just because its new and the Tigers are smokin right now. A little refresh blood and few hits could go a long way. While I really want to hope Shelton will come back and be a big league hitter, he needs to get it together quick. As my co worker said he could hit water if he fell out of a boat right now. It really is a bummer because he had the story book year all lined up.

    Later Tiger fans……….


  17. Bob S.

    July 31, 2006 at 11:04 pm

    Dimitri Young makes Shelton look like Keith Hernandez.I hope that seemingly cursed 8th inning yesterday didn’t damage the psyche of the team-it reminded me of a Wings playoff game several years ago when they seemed to have the Avalanche on the ropes and the series in the bag and some bad goals turned things around.I know there’s alot of season left but one bad week could make the Central uncomfortably close.

  18. Adam

    August 1, 2006 at 12:07 am

    Young…Wasn’t he having legal troubles before? And alcohol troubles? That’s all I’m saying. But. I take Shelton over DY today. Or Casey, even with the pulled oblique.

  19. Jim Leith

    August 1, 2006 at 1:39 am

    It seems like for the last year or so, DY doesn’t perform unless he is under threat of trouble. His contract is assured? There goes his game… Trade deadline safely past? There goes his game… The question is: is it his attitude (no threat? time to kick back and be sloppy!), or just his personality (can only perform under pressure any more)…? I totally want to be WRONG about this, but it is the impression I’ve had for a while.

  20. Jeff H

    August 1, 2006 at 9:13 am

    Let’s not hang our hopes of Maroth coming back to solidfy the pitching staff. Take a look at his WHIP — he was allowing a lot of baserunners but was getting out of jams. Be wary of him returning to form of prior years, especially coming of the DL.

  21. Jason

    August 1, 2006 at 10:43 am

    Well, as much as I don’t like DY, there were a total of 2 un-earned runs last night, and we lost by 4 runs. The errors didn’t decide the game.

  22. George

    August 1, 2006 at 12:04 pm

    Hey Jeff and Joey C.,

    About Pudge’s last at-bat, doesn’t that “dropped third strike” only count when first base is empty? I thought for sure Granderson or perhaps Inge was on first when Pudge struck out.

    On other news, I remember Leyland expressing nervousness about DY taking over on 1B…now we know why.

  23. Jeff M

    August 1, 2006 at 1:32 pm

    About Pudge’s last at-bat, doesn’t that “dropped third strike” only count when first base is empty?

    There was a man on first, but the rule only applies with less than two outs.


    Notice that if, at the time of the pitch, first base was occupied with fewer than 2 outs, the batter is out anyway. This is to prevent the defense from deliberately dropping the 3rd strike and getting a double or triple play as a result, because of “force” situation kicking in (as the batter becomes a runner).

    I couldn’t find it in the official rules, but I trust this explanation.