Comments on: The Tigers Draft http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: klira http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-74981 klira Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:00:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-74981 <a href="http://index1.nyxevu.com" rel="nofollow">passionate sex again</a> passionate sex again

]]> By: Bill Bourquin http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-65433 Bill Bourquin Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:02:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-65433 Ronnie Bourquin, what is the name of his team and how do I get his jersey and rookie card? I am from Ohio, so am thinking he's gotta b a distant cousin. Ronnie Bourquin, what is the name of his team and how do I get his jersey and rookie card? I am from Ohio, so am thinking he’s gotta b a distant cousin.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5433 Dennis Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:10:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5433 Good point jeff, but remember that in a true free market, the teams have the ability to bid for any player out there...you'd end up with 20 teams bidding for guys like miller and hochevar, while other guys get no attention. It used to be the teams had all the leverage because they were the only ones bidding, but now the roles are reversed, because the players believe they can survive a year and get drafted again, while teams know they can't afford to blow a 1st rounder at today's free-agent prices. Good point jeff, but remember that in a true free market, the teams have the ability to bid for any player out there…you’d end up with 20 teams bidding for guys like miller and hochevar, while other guys get no attention. It used to be the teams had all the leverage because they were the only ones bidding, but now the roles are reversed, because the players believe they can survive a year and get drafted again, while teams know they can’t afford to blow a 1st rounder at today’s free-agent prices.

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5425 Jeff M Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:55:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5425 I'm a free market kind of guy. Pro sports are a weird type of monopoly, so you need some sort of salary cap/luxury tax, but other than that, the market should sort these things out. Guys are drafted based on the on their current skills and the projections/probability of improvement. They get paid in roughly the same order as they were drafted, so it seems like it's working to me. Obviously, there's less risk with college players, so they tend to go closer to the top, but there are always a few high schoolers that show so much potential that teams decide that the higher risk is justified. If a team is sold on a kid's upside, why shouldn't he get paid for it? It really just comes down to whether or not you're a team that wants to pay for skills or potential. Free market ideals aside, it's still insane money for a playing a frickin game, but that's just jealousy speaking. :) I’m a free market kind of guy. Pro sports are a weird type of monopoly, so you need some sort of salary cap/luxury tax, but other than that, the market should sort these things out. Guys are drafted based on the on their current skills and the projections/probability of improvement. They get paid in roughly the same order as they were drafted, so it seems like it’s working to me.

Obviously, there’s less risk with college players, so they tend to go closer to the top, but there are always a few high schoolers that show so much potential that teams decide that the higher risk is justified. If a team is sold on a kid’s upside, why shouldn’t he get paid for it? It really just comes down to whether or not you’re a team that wants to pay for skills or potential.

Free market ideals aside, it’s still insane money for a playing a frickin game, but that’s just jealousy speaking. :)

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5423 Kurt Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:31:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5423 I agree, with all the college guys, I forgot you sometimes are paying a kid out of high school millions to play in the minors for three years. That's different than a player in the other sports leagues being able to immediately get a shot at playing time. I agree, with all the college guys, I forgot you sometimes are paying a kid out of high school millions to play in the minors for three years. That’s different than a player in the other sports leagues being able to immediately get a shot at playing time.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5422 Dennis Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:20:30 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5422 I agree with Kurt, at least as far as Miller's concerned. He's a pitcher who should be ready for the big leagues within 12-18 months, that's a very low risk - high reward contract (see Jason Johnson's contracts - makes twice as much for half as much). I don't like the contracts for guys like Maybin as much, since they're years away from producing in the big leagues, and you have to pay them not to go play basketball in college, according to the agents. I'd like to see contacts based more on performance incentives, so they can come in at a reasonable price, and if they produce, they get paid like pros. I agree with Kurt, at least as far as Miller’s concerned. He’s a pitcher who should be ready for the big leagues within 12-18 months, that’s a very low risk – high reward contract (see Jason Johnson’s contracts – makes twice as much for half as much). I don’t like the contracts for guys like Maybin as much, since they’re years away from producing in the big leagues, and you have to pay them not to go play basketball in college, according to the agents. I’d like to see contacts based more on performance incentives, so they can come in at a reasonable price, and if they produce, they get paid like pros.

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5418 Jeff M Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:13:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5418 <blockquote>And Miller appears to be asking for around 10.5M/5 year deal. That ain’t chump change, but it’s really nothing that’s going to break a team either.</blockquote> Exactly. If the hype is reasonable and he can contribute within the first couple years, we'll have an above average arm for a few mill a year. Shit, JJ made that much and I think he's making even more now.

And Miller appears to be asking for around 10.5M/5 year deal. That ain’t chump change, but it’s really nothing that’s going to break a team either.

Exactly. If the hype is reasonable and he can contribute within the first couple years, we’ll have an above average arm for a few mill a year. Shit, JJ made that much and I think he’s making even more now.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5417 Kurt Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:59:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5417 I don't think baseball rookie contacts are really all that out of line. You've got a guy like Justin Verlander, #2 pick overall, earning about 1 million a year. In the NBA, Darko earned what, about 3.5M? Mario Williams is guaranteed 26.5M from the Texans over the first two years of his contract. And well, I don't follow hockey. And then you end up with situations like Barry Zito earning the Cy Young award a few years back and making $300k that year, or players tied to the team that drafted them through several years of arbitration. The obvious difference is rookies seem to be a bit more of a dart toss in the MLB than in other leagues, but they're not really guaranteed anywhere. And Miller appears to be asking for around 10.5M/5 year deal. That ain't chump change, but it's really nothing that's going to break a team either. In comparison to the rest of the sports, I don't look at that and flinch. I see a first-round bargain. If the Tigers think they got a real star in the making -- and who knows at this point? -- 2M a year is going to sound cheap years from now. Thank goodness teams like KC passed on him. And thank goodness the Tigers are no longer a team like KC. I don’t think baseball rookie contacts are really all that out of line. You’ve got a guy like Justin Verlander, #2 pick overall, earning about 1 million a year. In the NBA, Darko earned what, about 3.5M? Mario Williams is guaranteed 26.5M from the Texans over the first two years of his contract. And well, I don’t follow hockey.

And then you end up with situations like Barry Zito earning the Cy Young award a few years back and making $300k that year, or players tied to the team that drafted them through several years of arbitration.

The obvious difference is rookies seem to be a bit more of a dart toss in the MLB than in other leagues, but they’re not really guaranteed anywhere.

And Miller appears to be asking for around 10.5M/5 year deal. That ain’t chump change, but it’s really nothing that’s going to break a team either. In comparison to the rest of the sports, I don’t look at that and flinch. I see a first-round bargain.

If the Tigers think they got a real star in the making — and who knows at this point? — 2M a year is going to sound cheap years from now. Thank goodness teams like KC passed on him.

And thank goodness the Tigers are no longer a team like KC.

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5405 Kyle J Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:16:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5405 So when will baseball wise up and put a cap on rookie salaries and signing bonuses? No unproven player should ever make $ in the millions. That's my question: From a cost/benefit standpoint, can you justify giving any newly-drafted player a $10 million contract? So when will baseball wise up and put a cap on rookie salaries and signing bonuses? No unproven player should ever make $ in the millions.

That’s my question: From a cost/benefit standpoint, can you justify giving any newly-drafted player a $10 million contract?

]]> By: Jerry http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5404 Jerry Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:57:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5404 In a chat from yesterday, BA said that the Tigers had one of the best drafts out there. Miller could have gone #1. Add him with Verlander, Bonderman, and maybe Zumaya and Detroit has one heck of a rotation for the future. If Maybin gets healthy and progresses as expected, he and Curtis will form two-thirds of an outstanding OF for years. Could be like Lou and Tram next to each other all over again. In a chat from yesterday, BA said that the Tigers had one of the best drafts out there. Miller could have gone #1. Add him with Verlander, Bonderman, and maybe Zumaya and Detroit has one heck of a rotation for the future.

If Maybin gets healthy and progresses as expected, he and Curtis will form two-thirds of an outstanding OF for years. Could be like Lou and Tram next to each other all over again.

]]> By: Lee Panas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5381 Lee Panas Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:05:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5381 Great first pick. This is the second straight year a great player slipped to them because of signability issues. Last year, Maybin was the consensus #2 or #3 and they got him at #10. Things are finally going right for this organization. Great first pick. This is the second straight year a great player slipped to them because of signability issues. Last year, Maybin was the consensus #2 or #3 and they got him at #10. Things are finally going right for this organization.

]]> By: Nate http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5365 Nate Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:06:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5365 So when will baseball wise up and put a cap on rookie salaries and signing bonuses? No unproven player should ever make $ in the millions. So when will baseball wise up and put a cap on rookie salaries and signing bonuses? No unproven player should ever make $ in the millions.

]]> By: Lou http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5357 Lou Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:02:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5357 Huh, no high schoolers in the first ten rounds. Huh, no high schoolers in the first ten rounds.

]]> By: Nick G http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5347 Nick G Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:51:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5347 We'll get a look at Miller sooner than later. From the UNC web site: North Carolina and Alabama will open the 2006 NCAA Tuscaloosa Super Regional at 7 p.m. Eastern Friday on ESPN, the NCAA announced Tuesday. The Tar Heels (48-13) and Crimson Tide (44-19) will also play at 7 p.m. Saturday on ESPN2/ESPNU, and game three, if needed, will start at 4 p.m. Sunday on ESPN/ESPNU. We’ll get a look at Miller sooner than later. From the UNC web site:

North Carolina and Alabama will open the 2006 NCAA Tuscaloosa Super Regional at 7 p.m. Eastern Friday on ESPN, the NCAA announced Tuesday. The Tar Heels (48-13) and Crimson Tide (44-19) will also play at 7 p.m. Saturday on ESPN2/ESPNU, and game three, if needed, will start at 4 p.m. Sunday on ESPN/ESPNU.

]]> By: Joey C. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5346 Joey C. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:45:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/the-tigers-draft/#comment-5346 Webb actually does throw three pitches. As for the current demand that starters have three pitches, I'm not sure when that began. But if the current staff is slotting Zumaya in the pen because he doesn't have a third pitch, I think it's safe to assume they would be inclined to do the same with a rookie who doesn't have a full season of professional experience under his belt. Webb actually does throw three pitches.

As for the current demand that starters have three pitches, I’m not sure when that began. But if the current staff is slotting Zumaya in the pen because he doesn’t have a third pitch, I think it’s safe to assume they would be inclined to do the same with a rookie who doesn’t have a full season of professional experience under his belt.

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