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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/game-65-devil-rays-at-tigers/#comment-5824</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>old saying in baseball: &quot;a team NEVER has enough left-handed pitching.&quot; Do not trade any LHP&#039;s any time soon, unless he&#039;s &quot;damaged goods&quot; and we can get another in exchange. And, do we really have enough depth on the mound to start trading some away? I don&#039;t think I would, yet. Inge&#039;s fine defensively at 3B, but a .217 BA is a bummer. Shelton K&#039;s way too much; he needs to learn the strike zone and lay off the &quot;high ones.&quot; Pitchers are finding him &quot;easy meat&quot; for the letter-high fastball. Both Monroe + Thames have power, but K too much, too. Granderson&#039;s turning into the team &quot;spark plug.&quot; Barring injury, he&#039;s got CF locked up for years. I think Vance Wilson will do a fine job if he&#039;s ever needed if Pudge&#039;s injured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>old saying in baseball: &#8220;a team NEVER has enough left-handed pitching.&#8221; Do not trade any LHP&#8217;s any time soon, unless he&#8217;s &#8220;damaged goods&#8221; and we can get another in exchange. And, do we really have enough depth on the mound to start trading some away? I don&#8217;t think I would, yet. Inge&#8217;s fine defensively at 3B, but a .217 BA is a bummer. Shelton K&#8217;s way too much; he needs to learn the strike zone and lay off the &#8220;high ones.&#8221; Pitchers are finding him &#8220;easy meat&#8221; for the letter-high fastball. Both Monroe + Thames have power, but K too much, too. Granderson&#8217;s turning into the team &#8220;spark plug.&#8221; Barring injury, he&#8217;s got CF locked up for years. I think Vance Wilson will do a fine job if he&#8217;s ever needed if Pudge&#8217;s injured.</p>
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		<title>By: Walewander</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/06/game-65-devil-rays-at-tigers/#comment-5821</link>
		<dc:creator>Walewander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m not Jim - its just a tribute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not Jim &#8211; its just a tribute.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I take a long hard look at trading one or two of Maroth, Robertson, or, dare I say it, Bonderman. Their value will probably be at its absolute peak and with Zumaya Sanchez, Tata, Grili, Colon and Ledezema, I like my chances to find two decent starters for the rest of the rotation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No one is untouchable, but I would be very, very careful. Verlander is lightning in a bottle. Very few pitchers can step up and contribute immediately like he has. Hell, he can regress a good deal and &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; be a lock for ROY. It remains to be seen what Z and Sanchez can do, but Tata, Grili, Colon and Ledezma would are #5 guys at best. We should be in &quot;win now (and the next few years)&quot; mode, so it would have to be a very sweet deal for me to favor a losing a 3 or 4 guy, hoping a second tier prospect could fill out the rotation respectably. 

If a deal like that is made, it should only be made if our scouts are sure that a starter is overachieving. If they know something the opposing teams don&#039;t, it makes sense to sell high. But if the pitcher is for real, it would be ludicrous to trade him, just because his value is high. We&#039;ve gained a lot of depth over the past few years, but enough to trade away a legitimate starter in his prime. They&#039;re just too expensive to replace. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;If a stud catcher prospect was available&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Be careful with the word &quot;prospect&quot;. We&#039;ve arrived. Any trades that are made should be made for immediate impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I take a long hard look at trading one or two of Maroth, Robertson, or, dare I say it, Bonderman. Their value will probably be at its absolute peak and with Zumaya Sanchez, Tata, Grili, Colon and Ledezema, I like my chances to find two decent starters for the rest of the rotation.</p></blockquote>
<p>No one is untouchable, but I would be very, very careful. Verlander is lightning in a bottle. Very few pitchers can step up and contribute immediately like he has. Hell, he can regress a good deal and <em>still</em> be a lock for ROY. It remains to be seen what Z and Sanchez can do, but Tata, Grili, Colon and Ledezma would are #5 guys at best. We should be in &#8220;win now (and the next few years)&#8221; mode, so it would have to be a very sweet deal for me to favor a losing a 3 or 4 guy, hoping a second tier prospect could fill out the rotation respectably. </p>
<p>If a deal like that is made, it should only be made if our scouts are sure that a starter is overachieving. If they know something the opposing teams don&#8217;t, it makes sense to sell high. But if the pitcher is for real, it would be ludicrous to trade him, just because his value is high. We&#8217;ve gained a lot of depth over the past few years, but enough to trade away a legitimate starter in his prime. They&#8217;re just too expensive to replace. </p>
<blockquote><p>If a stud catcher prospect was available</p></blockquote>
<p>Be careful with the word &#8220;prospect&#8221;. We&#8217;ve arrived. Any trades that are made should be made for immediate impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m DD at the end of the year, I take a long hard look at trading one or two of Maroth, Robertson, or, dare I say it, Bonderman.  Their value will probably be at its absolute peak and with Zumaya Sanchez, Tata, Grili, Colon and Ledezema, I like my chances to find two decent starters for the rest of the rotation.

Room for improvement in my mind is at 3b (although Inge&#039;s defensive contributions should not be forgotten) or LF.  If the right 2B came along, I might also consider that and slide Polanco over to 3rd.  Also, we can&#039;t forget Pudge isn&#039;t here forever.  If a stud catcher prospect was available, that might be worth a trade too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m DD at the end of the year, I take a long hard look at trading one or two of Maroth, Robertson, or, dare I say it, Bonderman.  Their value will probably be at its absolute peak and with Zumaya Sanchez, Tata, Grili, Colon and Ledezema, I like my chances to find two decent starters for the rest of the rotation.</p>
<p>Room for improvement in my mind is at 3b (although Inge&#8217;s defensive contributions should not be forgotten) or LF.  If the right 2B came along, I might also consider that and slide Polanco over to 3rd.  Also, we can&#8217;t forget Pudge isn&#8217;t here forever.  If a stud catcher prospect was available, that might be worth a trade too.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice to see Grilli throw some strikes after his last horrid outing. And Rogers&#039; defensive play was superb! He could&#039;ve had a complete game, if it meant anything. Obviously, to Leyland, it doesn&#039;t. Rogers has 9 wins now; tied for the league lead. Bonderman tomorrow. If we get decent pitching, we can sweep these guys; their staff is horrible. Then we start interleague play, which totally disgusts me; I&#039;m a real traditionalist when it comes to baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice to see Grilli throw some strikes after his last horrid outing. And Rogers&#8217; defensive play was superb! He could&#8217;ve had a complete game, if it meant anything. Obviously, to Leyland, it doesn&#8217;t. Rogers has 9 wins now; tied for the league lead. Bonderman tomorrow. If we get decent pitching, we can sweep these guys; their staff is horrible. Then we start interleague play, which totally disgusts me; I&#8217;m a real traditionalist when it comes to baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t look now, but Humberto Sanchez was wheeling and dealing for Toledo tonight tossing 7 shutout innings and lowering his AAA ERA to 0.71 to go with his 2-0 record.

What exactly would he need to do this year to earn a spot in the rotation next year?  He had a 1.76 ERA at Erie with something like 10 or 11 Ks per 9 IP.  Now he&#039;s 2-0 in 12.2 innings at Toledo with 9 hits, 3 walks, and 12 Ks and a 0.71 ERA.  I&#039;ll assume Bonderman, Rogers, and Verlander are locks for the rotation next year.  Does Sanchez have any hope at all of unseating Maroth or Robertson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t look now, but Humberto Sanchez was wheeling and dealing for Toledo tonight tossing 7 shutout innings and lowering his AAA ERA to 0.71 to go with his 2-0 record.</p>
<p>What exactly would he need to do this year to earn a spot in the rotation next year?  He had a 1.76 ERA at Erie with something like 10 or 11 Ks per 9 IP.  Now he&#8217;s 2-0 in 12.2 innings at Toledo with 9 hits, 3 walks, and 12 Ks and a 0.71 ERA.  I&#8217;ll assume Bonderman, Rogers, and Verlander are locks for the rotation next year.  Does Sanchez have any hope at all of unseating Maroth or Robertson?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope... Jason Grilli is pitching.   Not a bad move; get him some work with a good lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope&#8230; Jason Grilli is pitching.   Not a bad move; get him some work with a good lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean stockpile wins.   Wins in June count as much as wins in September.    Do you mean he is overworking his team so they can win a few more games now why they are hot?   I have heard he likes to rest his players so they can perform for the long 160 game season.   

I think Kenny Rogers is going to get a complete game tonight.  It&#039;s as good as a day off for the bullpen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean stockpile wins.   Wins in June count as much as wins in September.    Do you mean he is overworking his team so they can win a few more games now why they are hot?   I have heard he likes to rest his players so they can perform for the long 160 game season.   </p>
<p>I think Kenny Rogers is going to get a complete game tonight.  It&#8217;s as good as a day off for the bullpen.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Does anyone else think Leyland is trying to stockpile wins early b/c he worries about post all star break fade?...

If that&#039;s the case Dave, he&#039;s not the only one.  That seems to be the line on the Tigs these days, especially Rogers.  But anyway, don&#039;t you want to win as many as you can no matter what?  And nice job by Rogers pitching through the 7th.  Our bullpen needed it!

Hey Walewander, you aren&#039;t Jim Walewander, are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Does anyone else think Leyland is trying to stockpile wins early b/c he worries about post all star break fade?&#8230;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case Dave, he&#8217;s not the only one.  That seems to be the line on the Tigs these days, especially Rogers.  But anyway, don&#8217;t you want to win as many as you can no matter what?  And nice job by Rogers pitching through the 7th.  Our bullpen needed it!</p>
<p>Hey Walewander, you aren&#8217;t Jim Walewander, are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Walewander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walewander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking nice so far....

I think Jamie Walker has shown that he can pitch over the last four years. Nice to get this lead so the pen can pitch some low-leverage innings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking nice so far&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think Jamie Walker has shown that he can pitch over the last four years. Nice to get this lead so the pen can pitch some low-leverage innings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight is a huge game for the bullpen to prove how deep it is.  Rogers needs to prove he is the #1 starter and eat some innings.  Seay, Grilli, and Walker need to show they can pitch.  Does anyone else think Leyland is trying to stockpile wins early b/c he worries about post all star break fade?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight is a huge game for the bullpen to prove how deep it is.  Rogers needs to prove he is the #1 starter and eat some innings.  Seay, Grilli, and Walker need to show they can pitch.  Does anyone else think Leyland is trying to stockpile wins early b/c he worries about post all star break fade?</p>
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