Comments on: The Optimal Tiger Lineup http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:21:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Edman85 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-2024 Edman85 Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:30:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-2024 http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py?Player0=Josh+Willingham&OBA0=.376&Slug0=.456&Player1=Mike+Jacobs&OBA1=.324&Slug1=.491&Player2=Dan+Uggla&OBA2=.296&Slug2=.371&Player3=Hanley+Ramirez&OBA3=.313&Slug3=.367&Player4=Miguel+Cabrera&OBA4=.377&Slug4=.553&Player5=Chris+Aguila&OBA5=.318&Slug5=.410&Player6=Eric+Reed&OBA6=.290&Slug6=.335&Player7=Jeremy+Hermida&OBA7=.361&Slug7=.439&Player8=Dontrelle+Willis&OBA8=.289&Slug8=.337&Model=0 There's the link, sorry. http://www.baseballmusings.com.....mp;Model=0

There’s the link, sorry.

]]> By: Edman85 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-2023 Edman85 Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:30:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-2023 4.810 is the best lineup, and 4.352 is the worst, leaving a .458 difference for the Marlins, showing that variation between players does have a slight effect on the difference. 4.810 is the best lineup, and 4.352 is the worst, leaving a .458 difference for the Marlins, showing that variation between players does have a slight effect on the difference.

]]> By: Edman85 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-2022 Edman85 Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:21:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-2022 Zimm, I'll do the Marlins using PECOTA projections and get back to you on the similar results front. Using... Willingham C Jacobs 1B Uggla 2B Ramirez SS Cabrera 3B Agulia LF Owens CF Hermida RF Willis P Zimm, I’ll do the Marlins using PECOTA projections and get back to you on the similar results front.

Using…

Willingham C
Jacobs 1B
Uggla 2B
Ramirez SS
Cabrera 3B
Agulia LF
Owens CF
Hermida RF
Willis P

]]> By: zimm http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1917 zimm Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:36:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1917 Thanks for the feedback Joe. Call me crazy, but if Granderson wins the CF job as expected and hits leadoff as Leyland wants from the CF, I would like to see Inge bat leadoff against lefties with Granderson dropped towards the bottom of the order. My thinking is that (with the exception of exceptional talents) young players should be put into positions where they have a good chance to succeed, and shielded from positions where they are more likely to fail. I think Granderson will be able to handle the defensive dutes of CF on an everyday basis and will probably do an adequate job hitting leadoff against righties. but I think asking him to hit leadoff against lefties is asking a little much. Since Inge is particularly strong against lefties, why not let him leadoff against them and put Granderson in a less stressful position. That, and some spot starts by Logan (assuming he wins a job) against lefties would make sense to me... Thanks for the feedback Joe.

Call me crazy, but if Granderson wins the CF job as expected and hits leadoff as Leyland wants from the CF, I would like to see Inge bat leadoff against lefties with Granderson dropped towards the bottom of the order. My thinking is that (with the exception of exceptional talents) young players should be put into positions where they have a good chance to succeed, and shielded from positions where they are more likely to fail. I think Granderson will be able to handle the defensive dutes of CF on an everyday basis and will probably do an adequate job hitting leadoff against righties. but I think asking him to hit leadoff against lefties is asking a little much. Since Inge is particularly strong against lefties, why not let him leadoff against them and put Granderson in a less stressful position. That, and some spot starts by Logan (assuming he wins a job) against lefties would make sense to me…

]]> By: Joe http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1914 Joe Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:11:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1914 Zimm, I believe the standard sabermetric point of view is that the order isn't very important. I guess my central hope in creating a batting order would be to shield guys with platoon problems from situational relievers by surrounding them with guys of the opposite hand. So if you've got Inge in the order, he might see more lefties if he were surrounded by Granderson and Pena, Pena might benefit from being surrounded by Inge and Shelton, etc. Of course, this effect probably doesn't even add up to two or three more hits over an entire season, so it's probably not very important either. Zimm, I believe the standard sabermetric point of view is that the order isn’t very important. I guess my central hope in creating a batting order would be to shield guys with platoon problems from situational relievers by surrounding them with guys of the opposite hand. So if you’ve got Inge in the order, he might see more lefties if he were surrounded by Granderson and Pena, Pena might benefit from being surrounded by Inge and Shelton, etc. Of course, this effect probably doesn’t even add up to two or three more hits over an entire season, so it’s probably not very important either.

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1913 Jeff M Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:39:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1913 Thanks Billfer. Definitely an interesting post. I suppose I'd like to see two different lineups to account for handedness, but other than that, this is informative Thanks Billfer. Definitely an interesting post. I suppose I’d like to see two different lineups to account for handedness, but other than that, this is informative

]]> By: zimm http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1912 zimm Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:53:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1912 i'm amazed at how little the best and worst varied from the mean. i'm not sure if i should take this as meaning that the order of the lineup is not as significant as i once thought or that the Tigers have a lot of players who produce similar results, making it less important for their order vs other teams. or maybe i'm undervaluing the effect of having 30 more/less runs per season. i’m amazed at how little the best and worst varied from the mean. i’m not sure if i should take this as meaning that the order of the lineup is not as significant as i once thought or that the Tigers have a lot of players who produce similar results, making it less important for their order vs other teams. or maybe i’m undervaluing the effect of having 30 more/less runs per season.

]]> By: tiger337 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1911 tiger337 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:01:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1911 Bill, This is really interesting stuff. I'm sure I'll make good use of David's program. Of course it mostly shows that line-ups, in theory, don't matter too much. I remember reading once how Dave Johnson, who was a mathematician as well as a 2B, used optimization to put together some lineups when he was a manager. He tried it once as a player too but he handed his optimized line-up with himself batting clean up to Earl Weaver and Weaver tore it up. Lee Bill, This is really interesting stuff. I’m sure I’ll make good use of David’s program. Of course it mostly shows that line-ups, in theory, don’t matter too much. I remember reading once how Dave Johnson, who was a mathematician as well as a 2B, used optimization to put together some lineups when he was a manager. He tried it once as a player too but he handed his optimized line-up with himself batting clean up to Earl Weaver and Weaver tore it up.

Lee

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1909 billfer Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:21:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1909 The numbers are the averaging of 3 different projection systems (ZiPS, PECOTA, Bill James) that Lee compiled over at his blog. The numbers are the averaging of 3 different projection systems (ZiPS, PECOTA, Bill James) that Lee compiled over at his blog.

]]> By: Robert http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1908 Robert Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:41:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2006/02/the-optimal-tiger-lineup/#comment-1908 Where did you come up with your OBP and SLG numbers for each player? Just quickly glancing, they aren't last year's numbers and they aren't career numbers. Did you just find some projections for 2006 and use those? At first glance, the numbers for Inge are worse than either his 2004 or 2005 season. Where did you come up with your OBP and SLG numbers for each player? Just quickly glancing, they aren’t last year’s numbers and they aren’t career numbers.

Did you just find some projections for 2006 and use those? At first glance, the numbers for Inge are worse than either his 2004 or 2005 season.

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