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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: the full gloss.</title>
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		<dc:creator>the full gloss.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;the full gloss....&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Home Mortgage Refinance Loan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Home Mortgage Refinance Loan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK...so I&#039;ve had a little time to think about this.  Leyland will probably be a better manager than Trammell.  How much better remains to be seen.  Obviously, Dombrowski wanted Leyland, so I agree that if he&#039;s the one you really want and you can get him, then it&#039;s probably best to get him now.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just have a problem in general with the way all pro sports treat the manager/head coach position.  The players are all professionals and have usually been playing the game since they were little kids.  In other words, the players have to play well and there&#039;s not a whole lot the manager can do about that.  In my opinion, the difference between a great manager vs. an average one (Tram probably was a bit below average with the potential to be above average) is probably 5 games or so when you adjust for players, parks, etc.  That said, it is too bad Trammell couldn&#039;t just finish out his contract.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Leyland, even though I think he&#039;ll be a good manager, the guy flat out said he&#039;s unfamiliar with the American League, he&#039;s unfamiliar with the Tigers, he stunk in Colorado because he was burnt out, and he made several references to being old (60 years old).  So we have an old guy who is 6 years older than when he was burnt out at Colorado.  He has averaged under 79 wins per season as a manager overall.  Not that impressive on the face of it.  Had Illich bought a team like Huizenga did in Florida, Tram would have looked great too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;so I&#8217;ve had a little time to think about this.  Leyland will probably be a better manager than Trammell.  How much better remains to be seen.  Obviously, Dombrowski wanted Leyland, so I agree that if he&#8217;s the one you really want and you can get him, then it&#8217;s probably best to get him now.  </p>
<p>I just have a problem in general with the way all pro sports treat the manager/head coach position.  The players are all professionals and have usually been playing the game since they were little kids.  In other words, the players have to play well and there&#8217;s not a whole lot the manager can do about that.  In my opinion, the difference between a great manager vs. an average one (Tram probably was a bit below average with the potential to be above average) is probably 5 games or so when you adjust for players, parks, etc.  That said, it is too bad Trammell couldn&#8217;t just finish out his contract.</p>
<p>As for Leyland, even though I think he&#8217;ll be a good manager, the guy flat out said he&#8217;s unfamiliar with the American League, he&#8217;s unfamiliar with the Tigers, he stunk in Colorado because he was burnt out, and he made several references to being old (60 years old).  So we have an old guy who is 6 years older than when he was burnt out at Colorado.  He has averaged under 79 wins per season as a manager overall.  Not that impressive on the face of it.  Had Illich bought a team like Huizenga did in Florida, Tram would have looked great too.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston Fan in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/10/manager-carousel-wrap-upphp/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston Fan in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really hoping that Bob Cluck will be here still (he&#039;s secure, right?  I mean.  They&#039;d have to be nuts to get rid of him, right?) and will help with the young pitchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really hoping that Bob Cluck will be here still (he&#8217;s secure, right?  I mean.  They&#8217;d have to be nuts to get rid of him, right?) and will help with the young pitchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dukeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dukeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Mike.  I am not doubting Leyland is a good manager, but there still is questions surrounding the way he handled the pitching staffs at both Florida and Colorado.  Plus add in his unfamaliarity with American League baseball.    I still think Dombrowski will be on the hot seat next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Mike.  I am not doubting Leyland is a good manager, but there still is questions surrounding the way he handled the pitching staffs at both Florida and Colorado.  Plus add in his unfamaliarity with American League baseball.    I still think Dombrowski will be on the hot seat next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will always despise the 2005 Tigers for the way they laid down on Trammell.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Was he a great manager?  No.  Is Jim Leyland an improvement?  Of course.  But Trammell was the greatest Tiger ballplayer of my generation (I&#039;m 36).  As you said, he was always a thoroughly decent man of the highest order of professionalism and class.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The same can&#039;t be said for the bulk of the &quot;men&quot; he managed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will always despise the 2005 Tigers for the way they laid down on Trammell.</p>
<p>Was he a great manager?  No.  Is Jim Leyland an improvement?  Of course.  But Trammell was the greatest Tiger ballplayer of my generation (I&#8217;m 36).  As you said, he was always a thoroughly decent man of the highest order of professionalism and class.  </p>
<p>The same can&#8217;t be said for the bulk of the &#8220;men&#8221; he managed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;it is too bad Trammell couldn&#039;t just finish out his contract. &lt;/I&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike, I don&#039;t disagree with the rest of your points, but I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll ever see a manager finish out his contract. If the team is doing well, the manager is going to get an extension. If the team&#039;s doing poorly, can you imagine how much trouble he&#039;d have rallying the troops if he was in the last couple months of his contract? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The manager needs ownership&#039;s support, or the players of today will not respect him. There were already reports of that happening with the tigers 6-8 weeks ago. If they let Trammell have another year without a strong statement of support from management (i.e. 3+ year contract extension) he would have achieved lame duck status by mid june. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It really seems to be an all or nothing game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it is too bad Trammell couldn&#8217;t just finish out his contract. </i></p>
<p>Mike, I don&#8217;t disagree with the rest of your points, but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll ever see a manager finish out his contract. If the team is doing well, the manager is going to get an extension. If the team&#8217;s doing poorly, can you imagine how much trouble he&#8217;d have rallying the troops if he was in the last couple months of his contract? </p>
<p>The manager needs ownership&#8217;s support, or the players of today will not respect him. There were already reports of that happening with the tigers 6-8 weeks ago. If they let Trammell have another year without a strong statement of support from management (i.e. 3+ year contract extension) he would have achieved lame duck status by mid june. </p>
<p>It really seems to be an all or nothing game.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian A.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/10/manager-carousel-wrap-upphp/#comment-1133</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Boston Fan, I don&#039;t think the front office plans to renew Cluck&#039;s contract.  I think it&#039;s a huge mistake but hey, I&#039;ve been wrong before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Boston Fan, I don&#8217;t think the front office plans to renew Cluck&#8217;s contract.  I think it&#8217;s a huge mistake but hey, I&#8217;ve been wrong before.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Free Press, Leyland is looking at Rothschild--currently with the Cubs--to take over the pitching staff.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now here&#039;s a guy we should all be worried about handling our staff--especially if we have the two young guys in the rotation next year.  The Cubs have absolutely mangled all that talent they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Free Press, Leyland is looking at Rothschild&#8211;currently with the Cubs&#8211;to take over the pitching staff.  </p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s a guy we should all be worried about handling our staff&#8211;especially if we have the two young guys in the rotation next year.  The Cubs have absolutely mangled all that talent they have.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that as well, and it scares me too.  More research and more commentary later tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that as well, and it scares me too.  More research and more commentary later tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dukeman</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/10/manager-carousel-wrap-upphp/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Dukeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I have been reading Leyland is bringing all new blood for the coaching staff.  No holdovers.  That hasn&#039;t happened since Ralph Houk was manager.  Good bye &#039;84 Tigers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I have been reading Leyland is bringing all new blood for the coaching staff.  No holdovers.  That hasn&#8217;t happened since Ralph Houk was manager.  Good bye &#8217;84 Tigers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is too bad that Leyland will not consider Cluck.  The majority of the players he has had throughout his tenure, such as Bonderman, Maroth, Walker, Spurling, Robertson, Rodney, German have if not greatly, marginally improved.  These pitchers have not had any major setbacks.  The only players that have not improved are the ones did not stay with the team long anyways.  I would like to see what he can do with Verlander and Zumaya. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In addition to the loss of Cluck, Leyland plans to bring in mainly former Pirate players.  I don&#039;t quite remember the Pirates of the late 80&#039;s and early 90&#039;s having the most strategic of ballplayers.  Slaught and Van Slyke, two of the considerations, don&#039;t have any coaching experience. I don&#039;t see how this is an improvement.  Of course, Joey already touched on the Rothschild issue.  I hope this is not a sign of Leyland&#039;s great wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too bad that Leyland will not consider Cluck.  The majority of the players he has had throughout his tenure, such as Bonderman, Maroth, Walker, Spurling, Robertson, Rodney, German have if not greatly, marginally improved.  These pitchers have not had any major setbacks.  The only players that have not improved are the ones did not stay with the team long anyways.  I would like to see what he can do with Verlander and Zumaya. </p>
<p>In addition to the loss of Cluck, Leyland plans to bring in mainly former Pirate players.  I don&#8217;t quite remember the Pirates of the late 80&#8242;s and early 90&#8242;s having the most strategic of ballplayers.  Slaught and Van Slyke, two of the considerations, don&#8217;t have any coaching experience. I don&#8217;t see how this is an improvement.  Of course, Joey already touched on the Rothschild issue.  I hope this is not a sign of Leyland&#8217;s great wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think there&#039;s little doubt that Zumaya and Verlander will end up being this decade&#039;s Matt Anderson and Nate Cornejo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think there&#8217;s little doubt that Zumaya and Verlander will end up being this decade&#8217;s Matt Anderson and Nate Cornejo</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/10/manager-carousel-wrap-upphp/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha...the positivity is blowing me away!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the ineptitude of Tigers organization has finally led readers of this blog to despair, the Tigers organization has something to be worried about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230;the positivity is blowing me away!</p>
<p>If the ineptitude of Tigers organization has finally led readers of this blog to despair, the Tigers organization has something to be worried about.</p>
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