Comments on: The Cost of Losing http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:35:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Killing time http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-20445 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Killing time Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:15:09 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-20445 [...] One other thing I said at the time of the signing was that it felt like an Ilitch move. I did that more to assign blame at the time. What’s fair is fair, and so the credit goes to him today. [...] [...] One other thing I said at the time of the signing was that it felt like an Ilitch move. I did that more to assign blame at the time. What’s fair is fair, and so the credit goes to him today. [...]

]]> By: Michael http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-361 Michael Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-361 Look into my eyes, David. You're getting sleepy, very sleepy. Very good. Now when I snap my fingers, everything will be normal, except ... Look into my eyes, David. You’re getting sleepy, very sleepy. Very good. Now when I snap my fingers, everything will be normal, except …

]]> By: Will http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-362 Will Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-362 This is totally an insane deal. Who did the Tigers imagine they were bidding against? Mags could hit .200/.210/.220 next year, and break both arms, and unless he has a recurrence of his specific injurty from last season, the Tigers can't void him... This is totally an insane deal. Who did the Tigers imagine they were bidding against? Mags could hit .200/.210/.220 next year, and break both arms, and unless he has a recurrence of his specific injurty from last season, the Tigers can’t void him…

]]> By: Ed K http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-363 Ed K Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-363 Signing a Beltre or Beltran would have been awesome. But don't forget, players don't seem to want to come here. Signing Pudge last season, and Percival & Maggs this year, show that the Tigers are trying to improve this team. These guys are all studs, and will vastly improve this team, and put fannies in the seats. The common thread they have is, they have all had an injury. The Tigers are making themselves better by taking calculated risks on PROVEN major leaguers. When the all-star break gets here, and these three players are representing the Old English D, you will realize that, to get better, you have to take a risk. I don't think that there's a lot of things the Tigers did'nt consider about Maggs, but in my opinion, he's a top 3 AL outfielder, who will have no problem winning over the fans of Detroit. To get players to come here, you have to overpay (thanks, Mr Steinbrenner). When the season ends, and Maggs has his typical .300, 30, 115, you will all know that he was well worth the risk. You may even ask yourself, how did the Tigers get him for only 75 mil? Signing a Beltre or Beltran would have been awesome. But don’t forget, players don’t seem to want to come here. Signing Pudge last season, and Percival & Maggs this year, show that the Tigers are trying to improve this team. These guys are all studs, and will vastly improve this team, and put fannies in the seats. The common thread they have is, they have all had an injury. The Tigers are making themselves better by taking calculated risks on PROVEN major leaguers. When the all-star break gets here, and these three players are representing the Old English D, you will realize that, to get better, you have to take a risk. I don’t think that there’s a lot of things the Tigers did’nt consider about Maggs, but in my opinion, he’s a top 3 AL outfielder, who will have no problem winning over the fans of Detroit. To get players to come here, you have to overpay (thanks, Mr Steinbrenner). When the season ends, and Maggs has his typical .300, 30, 115, you will all know that he was well worth the risk. You may even ask yourself, how did the Tigers get him for only 75 mil?

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-364 billfer Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-364 Will-The Tigers were bidding against the last 10 years of losing. As Ed commented, they do have to overpay. And as for him falling flat on his face and being injured and the Tigers getting nothing, isn't that true of every signing? <br> <br>Ed-I know the Tigers have to overpay. What I'm saying is that pre-injury on the open market he probably doesn't get $15 million. Here he is post injury when everybody else is afraid to go more than one year on him. If the Tigers wanted to go 2-3 years at $15 that's fine, or if they wanted to go 4-5 years at $12 that's fine. They went way high on years and dollars. I'm all for calculated risks (ie Percival), but this seems more like desperation to me. Will-The Tigers were bidding against the last 10 years of losing. As Ed commented, they do have to overpay. And as for him falling flat on his face and being injured and the Tigers getting nothing, isn’t that true of every signing?

Ed-I know the Tigers have to overpay. What I’m saying is that pre-injury on the open market he probably doesn’t get $15 million. Here he is post injury when everybody else is afraid to go more than one year on him. If the Tigers wanted to go 2-3 years at $15 that’s fine, or if they wanted to go 4-5 years at $12 that’s fine. They went way high on years and dollars. I’m all for calculated risks (ie Percival), but this seems more like desperation to me.

]]> By: Will http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-365 Will Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-365 I guess, ultimately, its hard to quantify how much the losing decade makes the Tigers have to overspend. I'm sure Boras was telling them constantly, "Mags doesn't want to play for a loser" but come on-- dude was coming from the Freakin White SOx!-- this isn't like Jeter's coming free agency in 2010 (or whenever)... <br> <br>I'm sure it played a factor, just not sure how large. ANyway, great looking blog... I guess, ultimately, its hard to quantify how much the losing decade makes the Tigers have to overspend. I’m sure Boras was telling them constantly, “Mags doesn’t want to play for a loser” but come on– dude was coming from the Freakin White SOx!– this isn’t like Jeter’s coming free agency in 2010 (or whenever)…

I’m sure it played a factor, just not sure how large. ANyway, great looking blog…

]]> By: Joey http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-366 Joey Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-366 I think this totally comes from Mr. I, yeah I think they overpaid for him but at the same time I am excited to get him. Lets just hope that the NHL never resolves their issues so his salary won't be a problem because Mr. I keeps pouring money into the Tigs! I think this totally comes from Mr. I, yeah I think they overpaid for him but at the same time I am excited to get him. Lets just hope that the NHL never resolves their issues so his salary won’t be a problem because Mr. I keeps pouring money into the Tigs!

]]> By: Dan Joseph http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-367 Dan Joseph Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-367 As long as they have that out claus, what's the harm is slightly overpaying for a good hitter? As long as they have that out claus, what’s the harm is slightly overpaying for a good hitter?

]]> By: Brian http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-368 Brian Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-368 Will - I'm right there with you. This is an Ilitch move. <br> <br>Dan - While it does give us an out if the injury occurs, it doesn't give us an out if he begins to regress in years 3 and later. <br> <br>Too bad Ordonez didn't play third base. This would have been a better deal. Will - I’m right there with you. This is an Ilitch move.

Dan - While it does give us an out if the injury occurs, it doesn’t give us an out if he begins to regress in years 3 and later.

Too bad Ordonez didn’t play third base. This would have been a better deal.

]]> By: Ken http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/cost-of-losingphp/#comment-369 Ken Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2005/02/05/cost-of-losing.php/#comment-369 I've got no problem with this move. If Mags can return to being even 80 or 90 percent of what he was, he is a huge upgrade. Let's face it, the Tigs lineup lacked anyone you really had to worry about from a power standpoint. Pena was the only guy with more than 20 HR. Mags hit 9 in 200 AB last year. I'm hoping for the best, and if not, it'll just go up there with the Easley and Higginson contracts or the Luis Gonzalez or Juan Gonzalez deals. It's not like we haven't been disappointed before. <br> <br>I think Mags will put up better numbers than Beltre. I've got no faith in that guy and I'm very glad the Tigers didn't sign him. I’ve got no problem with this move. If Mags can return to being even 80 or 90 percent of what he was, he is a huge upgrade. Let’s face it, the Tigs lineup lacked anyone you really had to worry about from a power standpoint. Pena was the only guy with more than 20 HR. Mags hit 9 in 200 AB last year. I’m hoping for the best, and if not, it’ll just go up there with the Easley and Higginson contracts or the Luis Gonzalez or Juan Gonzalez deals. It’s not like we haven’t been disappointed before.

I think Mags will put up better numbers than Beltre. I’ve got no faith in that guy and I’m very glad the Tigers didn’t sign him.

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