Comments on: Mags and Riches http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Ken http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/#comment-215 Ken Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/30/mags-and-riches.php/#comment-215 I agree with you. As long as the price is reasonable, Mags is a worthwhile pick up. Beltran, I think, is going to get paid way more than he's worth thanks to his postseason. <br> <br>If you compare Beltran and Mags, based on their 162-game averages, it's no contest. <br> <br>Beltran is .284 (he hit .267 last year) with 27 HR, 104 RBI, 113 R and 35 SB. His OPS is .844. <br> <br>Mags is .307 with 30 HR, 114 RBI, 101 R and 13 SB. His OPS is .889. <br> <br>Of course, Mags isn't going to steal bases anymore and Beltran gives you good production across the board. But he's not even a .285 lifetime hitter and last year was the first time he topped 30 HR. Granted, he's probably just coming into his prime, so that's a consideration. <br> <br>But as long as they don't do anything stupid with the deal, I would welcome Mags. I'd much prefer rolling the dice with him than giving Beltran a deal that might be very regretable. I agree with you. As long as the price is reasonable, Mags is a worthwhile pick up. Beltran, I think, is going to get paid way more than he’s worth thanks to his postseason.

If you compare Beltran and Mags, based on their 162-game averages, it’s no contest.

Beltran is .284 (he hit .267 last year) with 27 HR, 104 RBI, 113 R and 35 SB. His OPS is .844.

Mags is .307 with 30 HR, 114 RBI, 101 R and 13 SB. His OPS is .889.

Of course, Mags isn’t going to steal bases anymore and Beltran gives you good production across the board. But he’s not even a .285 lifetime hitter and last year was the first time he topped 30 HR. Granted, he’s probably just coming into his prime, so that’s a consideration.

But as long as they don’t do anything stupid with the deal, I would welcome Mags. I’d much prefer rolling the dice with him than giving Beltran a deal that might be very regretable.

]]> By: Dan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/#comment-216 Dan Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/30/mags-and-riches.php/#comment-216 So you do not think the Tigers should go after Lowe or Millwood? I think they need pitching more than hitting. Both of those guys are still available.... So you do not think the Tigers should go after Lowe or Millwood? I think they need pitching more than hitting. Both of those guys are still available….

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/#comment-217 billfer Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/30/mags-and-riches.php/#comment-217 Well, I was talking about bats, but I'm against Lowe strongly. He was worse last year than Jason Johnson, and we're only committed to Johnson for one more year and $4 million. Derek Lowe will require 3-4 years and more than twice that. The only thing Lowe will add to the team is salary. <br> <br>Millwood could be okay for a one year deal, or one year with an option. Millwood will be better in Comerica than he was in Philly, but he still isn't that great. The FA pitcher I'm most interested in is Odalis Perez. Well, I was talking about bats, but I’m against Lowe strongly. He was worse last year than Jason Johnson, and we’re only committed to Johnson for one more year and $4 million. Derek Lowe will require 3-4 years and more than twice that. The only thing Lowe will add to the team is salary.

Millwood could be okay for a one year deal, or one year with an option. Millwood will be better in Comerica than he was in Philly, but he still isn’t that great. The FA pitcher I’m most interested in is Odalis Perez.

]]> By: Ken http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/#comment-218 Ken Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/30/mags-and-riches.php/#comment-218 I don't like Lowe either. And I live near Philly and have followed Millwood closely. I had high hopes for him, but since the All-Star break in 2003 he's been dreadful. And he spit the bit down the stretch in '03 as the Phils were battling Florida for a playoff spot. I'd rather give the youngsters a chance and shore up the bullpen when it comes to pitching -- that's what killed the Tigers last season. I don’t like Lowe either. And I live near Philly and have followed Millwood closely. I had high hopes for him, but since the All-Star break in 2003 he’s been dreadful. And he spit the bit down the stretch in ’03 as the Phils were battling Florida for a playoff spot. I’d rather give the youngsters a chance and shore up the bullpen when it comes to pitching — that’s what killed the Tigers last season.

]]> By: Justin http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/#comment-219 Justin Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/30/mags-and-riches.php/#comment-219 Agreed on Season 4 of the Simpsons. All hail the coming of Conan O'Brien to that show. Can;t wait to pick up Season 5. <br> <br>I think Will Carroll said that if Magglio was walking fine the chances are he would be alright to play (sort of an all or nothing type injury from what i gathered). I could dig around for the article if anyone is interested. <br> <br>Unfortunately, I think this is the type of risk the Tigers are going to have to take (a la Pudge and even Percival) in order to sign guys in the near future. <br> <br>Henning in The News copped a reader suggestion to sign Delgado as DH and move Meat to 3B. That's risky (or creative, depending on your view), but that's another type of move the Tigers might have to make. Of course, I read today that Delgado was "insulted" by the 3/30 offer the Mets made, so the Tigers may have to wait until he's a little more humbled by the lack of offers to sign in Detroit (again ala Pudge). <br> <br>Oh, well. My excitement for 2005 is extremely tempered now, and I'll be happy to watch Bonderman and others develop and wait for the farm system to start spitting out talent. <br> <br>Also, Mags with the bat might be equal to Beltran with the bat, but a good CF is worth so much more than an average corner outfielder. Agreed on Season 4 of the Simpsons. All hail the coming of Conan O’Brien to that show. Can;t wait to pick up Season 5.

I think Will Carroll said that if Magglio was walking fine the chances are he would be alright to play (sort of an all or nothing type injury from what i gathered). I could dig around for the article if anyone is interested.

Unfortunately, I think this is the type of risk the Tigers are going to have to take (a la Pudge and even Percival) in order to sign guys in the near future.

Henning in The News copped a reader suggestion to sign Delgado as DH and move Meat to 3B. That’s risky (or creative, depending on your view), but that’s another type of move the Tigers might have to make. Of course, I read today that Delgado was “insulted” by the 3/30 offer the Mets made, so the Tigers may have to wait until he’s a little more humbled by the lack of offers to sign in Detroit (again ala Pudge).

Oh, well. My excitement for 2005 is extremely tempered now, and I’ll be happy to watch Bonderman and others develop and wait for the farm system to start spitting out talent.

Also, Mags with the bat might be equal to Beltran with the bat, but a good CF is worth so much more than an average corner outfielder.

]]> By: Mark http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/#comment-220 Mark Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/30/mags-and-riches.php/#comment-220 Beltran would be much better than Mags. Not only is he entering his prime, but he can steal bases, play gold glove D in center, and get on base. All hard attributes to come by in today's MLB. Too bad Boras is asking the world and will probably get it. But a 10 year contract would take the Tigers through the best years of his career, since he will be 38 yo at the end of the contract; with the way athletes stay conditioned today that is great investment. Saying that.... too risky for a cash strapped team, that will probably be sold during that time. <br> <br>As far as pitching Loiza is now the best option. He is cheaper than Lowe and just as good. Too bad we didn't get O. Perez. Then trade Maroth for a position player. Thus maintaining 3 lefties in the rotation. Millwood as a ground ball pitcher would not fair well at Comerica and is too expensive. Beltran would be much better than Mags. Not only is he entering his prime, but he can steal bases, play gold glove D in center, and get on base. All hard attributes to come by in today’s MLB. Too bad Boras is asking the world and will probably get it. But a 10 year contract would take the Tigers through the best years of his career, since he will be 38 yo at the end of the contract; with the way athletes stay conditioned today that is great investment. Saying that…. too risky for a cash strapped team, that will probably be sold during that time.

As far as pitching Loiza is now the best option. He is cheaper than Lowe and just as good. Too bad we didn’t get O. Perez. Then trade Maroth for a position player. Thus maintaining 3 lefties in the rotation. Millwood as a ground ball pitcher would not fair well at Comerica and is too expensive.

]]> By: Jason R. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/mags-and-richesphp/#comment-221 Jason R. Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://test.detroittigersweblog.com/2004/12/30/mags-and-riches.php/#comment-221 Re: Justin's comment - Delgado certainly is asking too much. He's intriguing, but not for the money he's looking for. <br> <br>I'd love to see Dombo swipe Maggs on a 2-year deal. Re: Justin’s comment – Delgado certainly is asking too much. He’s intriguing, but not for the money he’s looking for.

I’d love to see Dombo swipe Maggs on a 2-year deal.

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